Senior Clemson RB Lyn-J Dixon

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#77
tennesseeduke said:
Travis Etienne averaged 90 yds a game rushing for his career. He broke the rushing record over 4 yrs and 55 games played against 90% mediocre teams.
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And got drafted in the 1st round. He was routinely considered one of the best RBs in the country by talent evaluators averaged over 5 and 6 yards per carry vs LSU and Bama in back to back title games. Simply put, you are talking out of your ass.
 
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Carp said:
And got drafted in the 1st round. He was routinely considered one of the best RBs in the country by talent evaluators averaged over 5 and 6 yards per carry vs LSU and Bama in back to back title games. Simply put, you are talking out of your ass.
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what’s the matter carp, I’m just speaking facts. Does that bother you much?
 
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tennesseeduke said:
what’s the matter carp, I’m just speaking facts. Does that bother you much?
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So did I.

Fact: He was drafted in the 1st round.

Fact: He was one of the best RBs in all college football over the last 4 years.

Fact: Against top SEC competition in the title game, he balled out each time.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nope sorry. Etienne was better in college. Also, give me the stats that proves any of our former RBs were better.
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This is crazy talk. Kamara was only here two years and was misused. He is the best runningback in the league and it’s not even close. Travis stayed all four years and played in the ACC. Compare stats lol. I would take Kamara all day every day even as a college player if I built a team. He is still the more talented player. Just because he wasn’t played more by a dumb coaching staff does not mean another player is better.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
This is crazy talk. Kamara was only here two years and was misused. He is the best runningback in the league and it’s not even close. Travis stayed all four years and played in the ACC. Compare stats lol. I would take Kamara all day every day even as a college player if I built a team. He is still the more talented player. Just because he wasn’t played more by a dumb coaching staff does not mean another player is better.
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Yeah Kamara was and is a better player than Etienne. I can only imagine if Heupel had Kamara, how he would use him.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nope sorry. Etienne was better in college. Also, give me the stats that proves any of our former RBs were better.
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I forgot about Kamara and that is the most recent example. Chuck Webb is a no brainer. Jamal Lewis was a better RB. Charlie Garner, probably. Then you get into the maybes. That is just in the modern era. Then you start talking Majors, Lauricella, Feathers & Cafego for all time.

Stats are impossible to compare between offenses and eras.
 
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allvolrecruiting said:
He's talking about college, not NFL
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Even as a college player. It’s all about utilization in college. Kamara would have crushed it here if he had started. So we’re saying Hurd was a better player because he had more yards than Kamara? No he was just played more. Stats don’t tell a whole story.
 
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vol9799 said:
I forgot about Kamara and that is the most recent example. Chuck Webb is a no brainer. Jamal Lewis was a better RB. Charlie Garner, probably. Then you get into the maybes. That is just in the modern era. Then you start talking Majors, Lauricella, Feathers & Cafego for all time.

Stats are impossible to compare between offenses and eras.
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Then you are using nothing but fandom and conjecture. Stats are what you use when measuring greatness. Not your eye or your fandom. The stats say Etienne is better than any RB we have ever had. Kamara? You are using his NFL success as a gauge and that’s unfair.

We TN fans sometimes get wrapped up in our fandom and believe we have had much greater players than we actually have. So your conjecture is noted.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
Even as a college player. It’s all about utilization in college. Kamara would have crushed it here if he had started. So we’re saying Hurd was a better player because he had more yards than Kamara? No he was just played more. Stats don’t tell a whole story.
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Ifs and buts don’t count. Stats do. You are assuming Kamara would have crushed it. He probably would have but there was no guarantee. If you think Kamara was just heads and shoulders above Etienne than you are fooling yourself.

Conjecture doesn’t work.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Not an argument it’s called an opinion so technically your post is dumb!

I would take Alvin Kamara and Jalen Hurd over Travis Etienne all day every day!
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It’s not an opinion. It’s a statistical fact. Counter with the stats that say otherwise. I would take Kamara over Etienne as well. I would take Garner, Webb, Cobb, Stephens and Lewis over Etienne as well. However that doesn’t change the fact that statistically speaking, Etienne was much better.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Then you are using nothing but fandom and conjecture. Stats are what you use when measuring greatness. Not your eye or your fandom. The stats say Etienne is better than any RB we have ever had. Kamara? You are using his NFL success as a gauge and that’s unfair.

We TN fans sometimes get wrapped up in our fandom and believe we have had much greater players than we actually have. So your conjecture is noted.
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There's no question that all fan bases get wrapped up in their players and over-hype them. Look at Joe Milton up until the second quarter of the BG game.

However if you want to only talk stats, then tell me how you are normalizing your results to account for SOS, offensive balance, team performance, utilization, career lengths and career trends. For instance, simply based on numbers your hero's greatness declined during his career. He graduated as a shadow of his former self.

Let me guess, you haven't done anything to remove statistical bias or normalize results for external factors. You are looking at a handful of numbers and calling them statistics. I'm happy for you to have the opinion that TE is best. That's not an unreasonable opinion. But neither are the others being offered here.

At the end of the day, this thread is supposed to be about Dixon's potential transfer.
 
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vol9799 said:
There's no question that all fan bases get wrapped up in their players and over-hype them. Look at Joe Milton up until the second quarter of the BG game.

However if you want to only talk stats, then tell me how you are normalizing your results to account for SOS, offensive balance, team performance, utilization, career lengths and career trends. For instance, simply based on numbers your hero's greatness declined during his career. He graduated as a shadow of his former self.

Let me guess, you haven't done anything to remove statistical bias or normalize results for external factors. You are looking at a handful of numbers and calling them statistics. I'm happy for you to have the opinion that TE is best. That's not an unreasonable opinion. But neither are the others being offered here.

At the end of the day, this thread is supposed to be about Dixon's potential transfer.
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Statistical bias? Ok then using your logic Barry Sanders is not the greatest college running back of all time because of SOS, and all the rest of the things you mentioned. Statistical bias is everywhere in college football. There is no way around it. That’s why using it as some sort of ammo for a retort is useless. Take the NFL. Who is the best QB to ever play? Tom Brady? Is he that much better than Tarkenton? Stabler? Grange? How far back you want to go?

Stats are how players are judged. That’s just fact. Saying Etienne is my hero just shows how your argument has failed. I stated a fact that goes against our fans perceptions. Does that mean I like Etienne better than any of our former RBs? Absolutely not. My favorite TN RB is Charlie Garner . I would take him 100 times out of 100 over Etienne. That doesn’t change the fact that statistically speaking Etienne was much better.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ifs and buts don’t count. Stats do. You are assuming Kamara would have crushed it. He probably would have but there was no guarantee. If you think Kamara was just heads and shoulders above Etienne than you are fooling yourself.

Conjecture doesn’t work.
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JG is seventh in pass yards at UT. Do you believe he is a top seven QB to ever play at UT? If you say yes, then I know you are just trolling.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Then you are using nothing but fandom and conjecture. Stats are what you use when measuring greatness. Not your eye or your fandom. The stats say Etienne is better than any RB we have ever had. Kamara? You are using his NFL success as a gauge and that’s unfair.

We TN fans sometimes get wrapped up in our fandom and believe we have had much greater players than we actually have. So your conjecture is noted.
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Ettiene was on a different level, but stats don’t tell a full story when he’s playing against teams like Syracuse and Duke every weekend.
 
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