September 10, 2024 Presidential Debate Thread. (Insert snarky subtitles here.)

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BowlBrother85 said:
The point gets completely lost when you cite an example which did not actually involve an immigrant.

Why not talk about the recent murder of 12 year old Jocelyn Nungaray of Houston? That actually did involve illegal immigrants. Trump and Vance are focused on the stupid cat story, because it's sensational and they care more about being entertaining than actually making a valid point.
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The President who more than tripled the ATD (Alternatives to Detention) budget was Trump.

Nungaray's killer was still in the US as a result of ATD...

Biden's FY24 ATD budget was about the same as Trump's final ATD budget...
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I have discussed the case that Donald Trump mentioned in the debate. That's not "cherry-picking" anything. I'm talking about what the Republican Party nominee talked about in a Presidential debate.

Donald Trump was being misleading .... but that doesn't seem to bother you at all. He should have cited a crime committed by an actual immigrant. There are many examples he could have chosen to mention during the debate. So, why choose this one? Because it is sensational, and Trump is always seeking to entertain.
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1) Animals/pets ARE being killed by illegal immigrants that is in fact happening.
2) Civilians/Citizens/women/children are being raped and killed by illegal immigrants.
3)Multiple nations have literally released their prison populations into the United States, and coordinated their trips here.
4) Crime and economic collapse in many cities is directly associated with this administration's border policy.
5) Kamala was literally declared Border Tsar at one point.
6) All you can do is deflect and try and talk about one incident.

As for my perspective on this cat thing, At least it's forced the people to talk about what is happening, if that is what it takes so be it. That you think this is some winning point is sad and pathetic.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I did just the opposite of denying that it happened. I post a link which confirms that it did happen. The woman who did it, is not an immigrant, however.

What is sad, is that you don't seem to think that it matters that Donald Trump lied about the woman being a Haitian immigrant. Of course, it matters, when you are trying to cite an example of crimes being committed by illegal immigrants!

You are being ridiculous.
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Go for it. American or Haitian it is just a Duck Duck Goose. Trump tried to use it with spin to focus on immigration using social media/TV vs facts. His statements and choices in doing so failed.
Valid points that Haitians have overtaken the town but using extremism as an argument with a social media post or TV interview is not the way POTUS functions. Congress could but the POTUS can't. It is Stupid to do so and he threw gasoline on a fire as far as hate. Congress is the problem.

The European way of dealing with this type of situation is a violation of US law, but it is far more effective than how the US deals for the most part with immigrants. The US slipped down a rabbit hole with immigration many years ago and can't go back. Trump is trying to deal with a problem that started many years ago and he can't fix it. So the hate and racism and division continues to grow into the mess we have today. It is ugly politics.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Then Trump should have cited an example of it with the name of the illegal immigrant who was responsible for it.
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The fact this is becoming such a hot topic, proves he did the right thing, used the predictable laser pointer on the press, and got them to talk about what they have ignored. The proof is in the pudding....your talking about it. He did this last election too.....he made the comment about maybe taking people's guns if they were red flagged..and the press immediately jumped in and said that was against the 2A, then he simply smiled and said...that's right. He got the press to literally preach gun rights. They're low IQ, and he's genius IQ. I'm not sure what it is like to be so un-intuitive, and brain dead you can't see how he masterfully leads the media by the nose..... If you can't see that after they do it again and again no wonder your confused why so many people love Trump. Maybe you have smoked one bowl too many.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Here's the facts. Trump or Kamala will be president, (unless the dems are successful in killing him).

You can vote for someone you know has zero percent chance of winning and think you've taken the moral high ground or you can vote for Trump or you can vote for Kamala. You seem to place an emphasis on character, and that's fine. I'm 100% confident that Trump is a much better option to lead this country than Kamala. Unfortunately, those two are our choices. If Kamala gets in, it won't be because I voted for a 3rd party.
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the effect is the same if Kamala gets in. you wasted your vote on a loser. might as well make it a loser you actually believe in.

especially if voting for that loser you actually believe helps shift the tide in the next election away from whatever BS candidates the parties present you.

you have to stop with this instant gratification mindset, and start acting strategically to see actual changes. right now you are just feeding the results where the Rs are putting up candidates that can lose to Kamala, or a brain dead Biden.

the only way it changes is if you change. got to be willing to take that first step and stop expecting everyone else to do the work for you.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
The fact this is becoming such a hot topic, proves he did the right thing, used the predictable laser pointer on the press, and got them to talk about what they have ignored.
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LOL.

The MAGA crowd loves this "Dumb as a Fox," spin .... It's a hot topic because of how absurd it is .... and once again, how willing Donald Trump is to lie, when trying to fear-monger.

If Trump wanted to point to a crime committed by an illegal immigrant? He should have cited an example of a crime involving an illegal immigrant.
 
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He did exactly what needed to be done to get the media to stop ignoring a crisis and talk about it. he masterfully led them into the trap, and Vance followed up with a spring on the trap. ....given what you support, I don't think i or any sane person should be looking to you for what should or should not be done.
 
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LouderVol said:
the effect is the same if Kamala gets in. you wasted your vote on a loser. might as well make it a loser you actually believe in.

especially if voting for that loser you actually believe helps shift the tide in the next election away from whatever BS candidates the parties present you.

you have to stop with this instant gratification mindset, and start acting strategically to see actual changes. right now you are just feeding the results where the Rs are putting up candidates that can lose to Kamala, or a brain dead Biden.

the only way it changes is if you change. got to be willing to take that first step and stop expecting everyone else to do the work for you.
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lol.

It's a fact the one of the two will be the president, no?

What does voting for a candidate that has zero chance of being elected, a candidate that doesn't align with my wants in a president, do?

It does nothing unless you just want to stick your chest out and be able to say "I didn't vote for either of them so it's not on me."

The first step is running a candidate that is not a complete idiot and has real policies. I voted for Ross Perot. Where did that get me?
 
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I got more important things to worry about today.....but I am glad the OP4 is still not only playing checkers, and not chess. but don't even know when Chess is being played.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
What lies? No where is post birth infanticide allowed, no where.
Haitians don't eat local dogs and cats
Trump negotiationed thebafgan withdrawal
Trump withheld Ukraine military aid for thier refusal to lie about Biden, enabling putin to invade
Trump played more golf than any US president in history after multiple promises he would play none
No country is dumping thier prisons into America, no country. More crime in America is committed by Americans than immigrants
Trump cannot deport all undocumented residents
Want me to go on??
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Forgot this one.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/springfield-ohio-man-reported-haitian-migrants-snatching-geese-out-of-park-just-2-weeks-ago/ar-AA1qpoYA
 
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Let me leave you with this.



Next turn...people are going to start posting on twitter all the crap the illegals are doing, and the shocking reality.....but by all means keep digging your holes. I wouldn't bother to even say that accept I know most lefties including here are too stupid and thick to get the trap even if you tell them.

 
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n_huffhines said:
Why do people act like VP has power? Literally, everybody here knows it's not the case. Trump has way more to do with the state of America RN than Kamala does. Not only is she VP, but Biden froze her out (which is something to be critical of in its own right).
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Biden is mentally incapable of being held responsible for his actions in a legal setting.
Kamala is the VP who should be in power in this situation.
as VP she cast the deciding vote on the Inflation Reduction Act.

yeah typically VP is a completely powerless position, but in this situation she is/should be far more of a player than any others.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
He did exactly what needed to be done to get the media to stop ignoring a crisis and talk about it. he masterfully led them into the trap, and Vance followed up with a spring on the trap. ....given what you support, I don't think i or any sane person should be looking to you for what should or should not be done.
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That's BS.

He made a fool of himself, as he often does, because he cares more about being entertaining than being factual. He will always default to what is sensational rather than what best serves his point.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's BS.

He made a fool of himself, as he often does, because he cares more about being entertaining than being factual. He will always default to what is sensational rather than what best serves his point.
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And that is why his networth is in the billlions and yours is not.
 
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LouderVol said:
Biden is mentally incapable of being held responsible for his actions in a legal setting.
Kamala is the VP who should be in power in this situation.
as VP she cast the deciding vote on the Inflation Reduction Act.

yeah typically VP is a completely powerless position, but in this situation she is/should be far more of a player than any others.
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She's not powerful, though. They just pushed her to the side, and hung the immigration anchor around her neck so they could put a lot of that blame on her. She was basically a ghost for 4 years, and I suppose it was just to play the good soldier so she didn't ruffle feathers and could wait in the wings for this moment.

I listen to The Press Box. It's pretty interesting. The show is all about the media. It's journalists talking about how journalists are handling current events. I really like Bryan Curtis, who is a pretty fair guy just left of center. The other guy is annoying and too unapologetically liberal, but whatever. Over the last couple of years, Curtis has consistently talked about how Kamala is the step-child of this admin, and even if Biden is a vegetable, it's still Biden's people running the show. Kamala was there to be a minority woman in his corner. That's it.

She could have had a more powerful vice presidency, but it was not that, and that might be on her as much as it is Biden. It's a criticism.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Do you think it important to recognize that a President can't ban fracking?

Nah, ruins the narrative.
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True, a president alone cannot ban fracking but a president along with a compliant congress sure can. Also a president with an out of control bureaucracy can sure make it so unprofitable that fracking is essentially banned.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
www.pbs.org

Trump's abrupt military departure from Syria draws fierce criticism

A day after the White House announced that President Trump was withdrawing all U.S. forces on the Syrian-Turkish border, U.S. bases there are deserted. Trump's abrupt decision now potentially puts the Kurdish-led, American-supported Syrian Democratic Forces directly in harm's way of Turkish...
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Trump also abandoned our Kurdish allies in northern Syria.
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And nobody was court-martialed or prosecuted for not following the CICs orders.

“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there,” Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is “a lot more than” the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.
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Outgoing Syria Envoy Admits Hiding US Troop Numbers; Praises Trump’s Mideast Record
 
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