Shaka Smart=Stan Heath.

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Hat, is Marshall the realistic choice? It seems likely he would want the job and I'm not sure we can do better. Frank would be a great hire, but doesn't seem likely to happen.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Both rode players recruited by someone else to a susprising NCAA run then cashed in on them. If VCU had played a healthy Georgetown or a full strength Purdue, nobody would be mentioning Shaka Smart for major jobs. He'd be hoping to snake an interview at the A-10/C-USA level. That's the ultimate caveat emptor situation for a BCS league school.
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Don't downplay the significance of Grant coming from VCU and setting the "trend" for up and coming african american coaches. Though, imo, no trend has been set and Grant hasn't shown me much, yet, the perception and a name like Shaka add points on his side.
 
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easleychuck said:
Nobody is sure. My knowledge of the kid comes from things like he was a point guard at a small college, very heady. Big time assist guy. He had enough that Billy Donovan hired him away from Clemson. He is an extremely smart guy. Have heard probably a dozen or so interviews of him on the radio here in Greenville and he handles himself very well. Had a child at a Clemson BB camp and saw him handle himself beyond well. He is polished beyond his years.

Obviously, nobody has any idea how any new coach will do. The UT job has been damaged. The right person needs to be willing to hit the road recruiting and a young guy like this could be the answer.

And he is not bringing his father to coach the defense and Al Davis did not call him a liar. So Smart does not = Kiffin.

For someone to just say Smart = Heath has no basis.
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That's the problem, even you called him a kid.

The UT job has never been better and we can hire someone that has finished better than fourth in his conference and has a total of 53 wins.

People say they aren't sure Anthony Grant has enough experience yet Smart has even less.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Hat, is Marshall the realistic choice? It seems likely he would want the job and I'm not sure we can do better. Frank would be a great hire, but doesn't seem likely to happen.
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He's certainly one of them. UT will have to get a few "No, thank you"s before they would get to Marshall.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Both rode players recruited by someone else to a susprising NCAA run then cashed in on them. If VCU had played a healthy Georgetown or a full strength Purdue, nobody would be mentioning Shaka Smart for major jobs. He'd be hoping to snake an interview at the A-10/C-USA level. That's the ultimate caveat emptor situation for a BCS league school.
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So you don't necessarily think he is bad, you just don't believe there is enough evidence to evaluate him?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Both rode players recruited by someone else to a susprising NCAA run then cashed in on them. If VCU had played a healthy Georgetown or a full strength Purdue, nobody would be mentioning Shaka Smart for major jobs. He'd be hoping to snake an interview at the A-10/C-USA level. That's the ultimate caveat emptor situation for a BCS league school.
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Are you trying to tell me that you seriously believe that Purdue or Georgetown had less talent than VCU? Even with the injuries both of those teams had more talent than VCU and he smoked them both. Not to mention what he did to a USC team that beat UT earlier in the year. Im not saying that hes the right guy, but its ridiculous to try to discredit what hes done.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
What do you mean a program as big as UT? We're a probably the 3-4 best program historically, in a conference that historically doesnt take basketball seriously. (not counting UK) If the guy is good enough for Arkansas or Tech, then hes probably good enough for us. BP definitely upgraded the program, but its still not like we're handing the guy the keys to a Ferrari. Especially when you factor in the possibility of looming sanctions.
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UT big as in, media stuff he'll have to deal with, dealing with the celebrity that comes with the job (how will a 33 year-old handle that, Kiffin certainly didn't) and countless other off-court things he's never had to deal with.

If the NCAA is watching us more closely after Pearl, I would prefer a coach with more experience and knowledge of rules etc.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Are you trying to tell me that you seriously believe that Purdue or Georgetown had less talent than VCU? Even with the injuries both of those teams had more talent than VCU and he smoked them both. Not to mention what he did to a USC team that beat UT earlier in the year. Im not saying that hes the right guy, but its ridiculous to try to discredit what hes done.
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How many games did Georgetown win after Chris Wright broke his hand?
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Are you trying to tell me that you seriously believe that Purdue or Georgetown had less talent than VCU? Even with the injuries both of those teams had more talent than VCU and he smoked them both. Not to mention what he did to a USC team that beat UT earlier in the year. Im not saying that hes the right guy, but its ridiculous to try to discredit what hes done.
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Oregon handled USC easily. Twice. I guess Hamilton needs to call Dana Altman.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Are you trying to tell me that you seriously believe that Purdue or Georgetown had less talent than VCU? Even with the injuries both of those teams had more talent than VCU and he smoked them both. Not to mention what he did to a USC team that beat UT earlier in the year. Im not saying that hes the right guy, but its ridiculous to try to discredit what hes done.
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VCU also got smoked by 11 against Northeastern who was 11-20 and Georgia State who was 12-19
 
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kidbourbon said:
So you don't necessarily think he is bad, you just don't believe there is enough evidence to evaluate him?
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There's no track record to indicate he's ready. He finished fourth in Colonial this year, after being in one of those jerkwater postseason tournaments last year, shouldn't have been in the NCAA field, and had nothing to do with bringing VCU's two biggest impact players to campus.
 
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JZVOL said:
That's the problem, even you called him a kid.

The UT job has never been better and we can hire someone that has finished better than fourth in his conference and has a total of 53 wins.

People say they aren't sure Anthony Grant has enough experience yet Smart has even less.
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I am 56 years old. He is a kid to me. You don't want Smart as coach. I do.
 
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I'm not all that sure about Smart either. It's not anything I really know, just a gut feeling that he's the next mid-major lightning-in-a-bottle flavor of the month. Maybe the guy would come in here and be a world-beater, but I just can't help but wonder if he's riding Anthony Grant's wave up there.
 
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hatvol96 said:
How many games did Georgetown win after Chris Wright broke his hand?
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Im not saying that Georgetown was at full strength. Im just saying that I believe that overall 1-12 players, that all three of those teams were more talented than VCU, and he humiliated two them. You could be right and the guy could be an absolute bust. But I think hes got more upside than anyone else that we have a legit shot of getting except for Frank,who wouldnt be here long anyway.
 
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easleychuck said:
I am 56 years old. He is a kid to me. You don't want Smart as coach. I do.
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I don't want someone considered a kid to some people running our basketball program.

UT can do better than a coach that's finished no higher than fourth in the CAA.
 
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hatvol96 said:
There's no track record to indicate he's ready. He finished fourth in Colonial this year, after being in one of those jerkwater postseason tournaments last year, shouldn't have been in the NCAA field, and had nothing to do with bringing VCU's two biggest impact players to campus.
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The answer to whether they belonged in the tourney has been answered. Heath an Smart do both have 5 letters in their last names.
 
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JZVOL said:
I don't want someone considered a kid to some people running our basketball program.

UT can do better than a coach that's finished no higher than fourth in the CAA.
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Agree.

Everyone asks hatvol for his top 5 or whatever...I'd be interested in yours, JZ. You've visited practices and worked with some of these guys.

No mentioning Jay Wright, though. He ain't coming.
 
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JZVOL said:
I don't want someone considered a kid to some people running our basketball program.

UT can do better than a coach that's finished no higher than fourth in the CAA.
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You aren't very old are you. No we will get Marshall, that is so exciting. I hope Ga Tech does hire Smart. Then we can compare notes in a couple of years.
 
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easleychuck said:
The answer to whether they belonged in the tourney has been answered. Heath an Smart do both have 5 letters in their last names.
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No, it hasn't. There are a bunch of teams in the NIT who could beat USC, Georgetown, and Purdue. Most of them also don't have losses to the Northeasterns and Georgia States of the world. VCU's resume was a joke. They were just fortunate that UAB's was even worse, so they didn't catch as much hell.
 
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easleychuck said:
The answer to whether they belonged in the tourney has been answered. Heath an Smart do both have 5 letters in their last names.
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You really ought to try to have at least some perspective. You're basing wanting a guy as our coach on three games. Think about that.
 
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JZVOL said:
VCU also got smoked by 11 against Northeastern who was 11-20 and Georgia State who was 12-19
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Lots of teams lose bad games during the regular season. This guy didnt win 3 tournament games by being a dummy. Maybe the bracket has played out in his favor a little bit, but hes getting the job done. We'll just have to see. Im just saying that I wouldnt see any reason to despair if he is the guy that we choose.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Lots of teams lose bad games during the regular season. This guy didnt win 3 tournament games by being a dummy. Maybe the bracket has played out in his favor a little bit, but hes getting the job done. We'll just have to see. Im just saying that I wouldnt see any reason to despair if he is the guy that we choose.
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If we base our coaching decision on three games, then everyone involved in the search should be immediately fired.
 
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A guy like Smart really needs to do it for at least a couple more years before I'm convinced he's ready for a bigger job. He's certainly off to a good start, but I just think he needs at least a couple more years of success before I'd hire him if I'm an AD somewhere. There's just not much on his resume' at this point.
 
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