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#551
#551
Mick said:
He could have been a leader during a national crisis. He pretty much could have done his job. He could have tried to united the country with a shared goal of stopping the spread knowing it was airborne but instead he was seeking a political victory by boasting about a trade deal with China. Obviously he was well informed about the virus from his advisors but instead of passing this on to the public or trying to make policy to deal with the spread he did nothing. Democrat hoax and China lied being the rallying call if I remember correctly.
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I’ll grant you that he could have been a better leader in that he should have risen above the petty BS being thrown at him and just stuck to the facts.

There was no way in hell he was going to unite the country when you had state and local officials shutting things down and destroying lives.
 
#552
#552
MontyPython said:
Dude, are you really this dense or just being obstinate?

FFS.

How about for starters: Given that he admitted to Bernstein that he knew CV19 was a "killer", how about he NOT say that the virus will "just go away" 33 times?

How about if he had just taken it seriously - like any responsible human being would much less our President - and not swept the whole damn thing under the rug.

To this day he's holding indoor rallies. And many are not wearing masks. Thumbing state laws even.

Pure stupidity and hubris.
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Like all viruses this one will go away so he was correct. I think he did take it pretty damn seriously considering all of the federal resources he dispatched to various states. He even enacted the defense protection act, that is damn serious.
 
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MontyPython said:
Dude, are you really this dense or just being obstinate?

FFS.

How about for starters: Given that he admitted to Bernstein that he knew CV19 was a "killer", how about he NOT say that the virus will "just go away" 33 times?

How about if he had just taken it seriously - like any responsible human being would much less our President - and not swept the whole damn thing under the rug.

To this day he's holding indoor rallies. And many are not wearing masks. Thumbing state laws even.

Pure stupidity and hubris.
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He had a task force with nightly briefings from infectious disease experts. He shut down travel while Dem leaders were asking their people to come out and shop and ignore the hysterical xenophobia of the potus. He took it more serious than the left did but they hammer him daily on it

The US should have been better prepared for this. There should have been plans in place but no one has ever wanted to spend much time on that

He's doing what should be done with the opening. It shouldn't have taken more than a month or 2 to realize our shutdown approach was wrong and harmful. There was a need to focus on the at risk population while allowing the rest to keep the economy moving. Poor communication was why that didn't occur
 
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hog88 said:
I’ll grant you that he could have been a better leader in that he should have risen above the petty BS being thrown at him and just stuck to the facts.

There was no way in hell he was going to unite the country when you had state and local officials shutting things down and destroying lives.
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That's what happens when you don't have a leader or National response. I also remember Sen. Kennedy (Louisiana) grilling DHS about PPE shortages and such in February. Armed with the knowledge of it being airborne and not addressing the PPE shortages is on Trump. It would have been a good time to invoke the defense production act but he didn't at that time.
 
#555
#555
hog88 said:
Like all viruses this one will go away so he was correct. I think he did take it pretty damn seriously considering all of the federal resources he dispatched to various states. He even enacted the defense protection act, that is damn serious.
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Thank God Jim Jones is dead, else you'd be a corpse in Guyana.

Jan. 22: 1 case confirmed in U.S.
"We have it under control"


Jan. 24: 2 cases confirmed in U.S.
Appreciates China's "efforts and transparency"

  • President Trump issues his first tweet on coronavirus. "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"
Jan. 29: 5 cases confirmed in U.S.
U.S. experts "are on top of situation 24/7"

  • "Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China. We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!" the president tweeted.
Jan. 30: 7 cases confirmed in U.S.
U.S. has a "very little problem" with five cases

  • On this day, the World Health Organization declares coronavirus a public-health emergency. "We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we're working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it's going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you," Mr. Trump said at a speech at a Michigan manufacturing plant.
Jan. 31: 8 cases confirmed in U.S.
President Trump bars many travelers from China, and U.S. declares a public health emergency.


Feb. 5: 11 cases confirmed in U.S.
President Trump is acquitted after impeachment trial in the Senate.

Feb. 7: 11 confirmed cases in U.S.
With warmer weather "virus hopefully becomes weaker with warmer weather, and then gone"

  • "Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but......he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!" the president tweeted.
Feb. 10: 12 confirmed cases in U.S.
Xi "feels...the heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus"

  • "I had a long talk with President Xi — for the people in this room — two nights ago, and he feels very confident. He feels very confident. And he feels that, again, as I mentioned, by April or during the month of April, the heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus," the president said during a White House meeting with governors.
Feb. 23: 51 confirmed cases in U.S.
Situation is "very much under control"

Feb. 24: 51 confirmed cases in U.S.
"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA"

  • "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" the president tweeted.
Feb. 25: 57 confirmed cases in U.S.
Coronavirus is "very well under control in our country"

  • "You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are - in all cases, I have not heard anything other," the president said during a press conference on his trip to India.
Feb. 26: 58 confirmed cases in U.S.
The 15 cases in U.S. "within a couple days is going to be down close to zero"

  • "I want you to understand something that shocked me when I saw it that — and I spoke with Dr. Fauci on this, and I was really amazed, and I think most people are amazed to hear it: The flu, in our country, kills from 25,000 people to 69,000 people a year. That was shocking to me. And, so far, if you look at what we have with the 15 people and their recovery, one is — one is pretty sick but hopefully will recover, but the others are in great shape. But think of that: 25,000 to 69,000. ... "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done," the president said during a Coronavirus Task Force Press briefing at the White House.
Feb. 27: 60 confirmed cases in U.S.
Virus will "disappear" one day "like a miracle"

Feb. 29: 74 confirmed cases in U.S.
"Everything is really under control"

  • "And we've done a great job. And I've gotten to know these professionals. They're incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they're very, very cool. They've done it, and they've done it well. Everything is really under control." — Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland. One attendee from that event later tested positive, and lawmakers who attended went under self-quarantine.
Feb. 29: 74 confirmed cases in U.S.
First coronavirus death in the U.S. on this day

  • "We've taken the most aggressive actions to confront the coronavirus. They are the most aggressive taken by any country and we're the number one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease then even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population." —White House Coronavirus Task Force briefing
March 4: 217 confirmed cases in U.S.
It's "very safe to fly" in "large portions of the world"

  • "Yeah, I think where these people are flying, it's safe to fly. And large portions of the world are very safe to fly. So we don't want to say anything other than that. And we have closed down certain sections of the world, frankly, and they've sort of automatically closed them also. They'll understand that and they understand it better, perhaps, than anybody. Yes, it's safe." — White House meeting with airline executives.
March 6: 402 confirmed cases in U.S.
"Anybody that wants a test can get a test"

  • "Anybody that wants a test can get a test. ... The tests are all perfect, like the letter was perfect, the transcription was perfect, right?" — CDC headquarters in Atlanta.
March 9: 959 confirmed cases in U.S.
Compares number of deaths caused by coronavirus and flu

  • "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!" the president tweeted.
March 10: 1,300 confirmed cases in U.S.
"Just stay calm. It will go away"
 
#556
#556
utvolpj said:
He had a task force with nightly briefings from infectious disease experts. He shut down travel while Dem leaders were asking their people to come out and shop and ignore the hysterical xenophobia of the potus. He took it more serious than the left did but they hammer him daily on it

The US should have been better prepared for this. There should have been plans in place but no one has ever wanted to spend much time on that

He's doing what should be done with the opening. It shouldn't have taken more than a month or 2 to realize our shutdown approach was wrong and harmful. There was a need to focus on the at risk population while allowing the rest to keep the economy moving. Poor communication was why that didn't occur
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Pretty much everything you've said is misguided except that the US should have been better prepared.

Hmmmm.... I wonder why.

Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised
 
#557
#557
MontyPython said:
Pretty much everything you've said is misguided except that the US should have been better prepared.

Hmmmm.... I wonder why.

Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised
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From your link:
“It would be nice if the office was still there,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institute of Health, told Congress this week. “I wouldn’t necessarily characterize it as a mistake (to eliminate the unit). I would say we worked very well with that office.”
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But there were no plans in place from any admin. If this was so important why was it not called out by anyone before? Also from your link

They’ve been warning about the next pandemic for years
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Then where's the plan to combat one?

You also send to know the Trump response timeline by heart yet ignore those who truly could have made a difference. This failure is on local and state level govt. Trump sucks at most things but the feds are limited in what actions they can take. Even Biden recently realized this
 
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utvolpj said:
From your link:


But there were no plans in place from any admin. If this was so important why was it not called out by anyone before? Also from your link



Then where's the plan to combat one?

You also send to know the Trump response timeline by heart yet ignore those who truly could have made a difference. This failure is on local and state level govt. Trump sucks at most things but the feds are limited in what actions they can take. Even Biden recently realized this
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Wow, dude. Come on.

Why have a President then? Who is our leader?

"Leadership" starts at the top and works down. When our President COMPLETELY DENIES THERE'S A PROBLEM FOR MONTHS, does that help or hurt the effort to combat a pandemic?

Exactly. Trump is an unmitigated disaster.

Harry S. Truman: "The Buck Stops Here."

Donald J. Trump: "[insert his billion deflections, lies and excuses, blaming everyone but himself]"

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#559
#559
MontyPython said:
Wow, dude. Come on.

Why have a President then? Who is our leader?

"Leadership" starts at the top and works down. When our President COMPLETELY DENIES THERE'S A PROBLEM FOR MONTHS, does that help or hurt the effort to combat a pandemic?

Exactly. Trump is an unmitigated disaster.
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There are limits to federal power. It's been that way since the thing was set up. State/Local has much more control

After the initial shutdown, and once we knew who was most affected, Trump should have called for targeted protection of the vulnerable. He then should have called for the least vulnerable to get back to work and kids back to school. This economic destruction should not have been allowed to continue. He absolutely failed there

Just remember that Trump shut down travel in January and was called every name in the book by the Dem leadership. Those same leaders had access to the same info and at the end of Feb were still calling for groups to gather and shop and ignore Trump. In fact, they're still saying certain gatherings are fine based on political leanings. You now want these same people in charge? Hmmm
 
#560
#560
utvolpj said:
From your link:


But there were no plans in place from any admin. If this was so important why was it not called out by anyone before? Also from your link



Then where's the plan to combat one?

You also send to know the Trump response timeline by heart yet ignore those who truly could have made a difference. This failure is on local and state level govt. Trump sucks at most things but the feds are limited in what actions they can take. Even Biden recently realized this
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Federal Resources for Planning | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC Nov 3, 2016

An influenza pandemic—whether of low, moderate, high or very high severity—will place extraordinary and sustained demands on public health and health care systems and on providers of essential community services. Since 2005, the United States has worked to increase capacity for global pandemic response. HHS has developed and refined tools over the past decade to help guide different aspects of planning and response, including evaluating the pandemic risk posed by a novel influenza A virus, assessing the risk and potential public health impact posed by the novel influenza A virus; understanding the possible progression of the event; developing a pre-pandemic candidate vaccine virus, or vaccine; and evaluating the severity and transmissibility to enable informed public health interventions.
Surveillance and monitoring, development and delivery of medical countermeasures (e.g., vaccines, therapeutics, diagnostics, and respiratory protection devices) and non-pharmaceutical interventions, health care system response, and communications are integral components of pandemic planning and response. The federal resources provided in this section are designed to assist public health and health care systems pandemic planning.
 
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#561
hog88 said:
I’ll grant you that he could have been a better leader in that he should have risen above the petty BS being thrown at him and just stuck to the facts.

There was no way in hell he was going to unite the country when you had state and local officials shutting things down and destroying lives.
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You mean "unity" doesn't mean "do what we want or we'll do whatever it takes to destroy you"?

Huh...
 
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#562
Mick said:
Federal Resources for Planning | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC Nov 3, 2016

An influenza pandemic—whether of low, moderate, high or very high severity—will place extraordinary and sustained demands on public health and health care systems and on providers of essential community services. Since 2005, the United States has worked to increase capacity for global pandemic response. HHS has developed and refined tools over the past decade to help guide different aspects of planning and response, including evaluating the pandemic risk posed by a novel influenza A virus, assessing the risk and potential public health impact posed by the novel influenza A virus; understanding the possible progression of the event; developing a pre-pandemic candidate vaccine virus, or vaccine; and evaluating the severity and transmissibility to enable informed public health interventions.
Surveillance and monitoring, development and delivery of medical countermeasures (e.g., vaccines, therapeutics, diagnostics, and respiratory protection devices) and non-pharmaceutical interventions, health care system response, and communications are integral components of pandemic planning and response. The federal resources provided in this section are designed to assist public health and health care systems pandemic planning.
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But I keep getting told this isn't the flu - a virus we've known about for decades and even have a vaccine for
 
#563
#563
utvolpj said:
There are limits to federal power. It's been that way since the thing was set up. State/Local has much more control

After the initial shutdown, and once we knew who was most affected, Trump should have called for targeted protection of the vulnerable. He then should have called for the least vulnerable to get back to work and kids back to school. This economic destruction should not have been allowed to continue. He absolutely failed there

Just remember that Trump shut down travel in January and was called every name in the book by the Dem leadership. Those same leaders had access to the same info and at the end of Feb were still calling for groups to gather and shop and ignore Trump. In fact, they're still saying certain gatherings are fine based on political leanings. You now want these same people in charge? Hmmm
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Trump only banned China travel in January. He waited until March to "ban" Europe, but excluded US citizens plus the UK and Ireland (huh?).

And, yes please, gimme anyone but Trump in charge.
 
#565
#565
Mick said:
That's what happens when you don't have a leader or National response. I also remember Sen. Kennedy (Louisiana) grilling DHS about PPE shortages and such in February. Armed with the knowledge of it being airborne and not addressing the PPE shortages is on Trump. It would have been a good time to invoke the defense production act but he didn't at that time.
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Turns out there wasn't a PPE shortage, so what now?
 
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#566
MontyPython said:
Trump only banned China travel in January. He waited until March to "ban" Europe, but excluded US citizens plus the UK and Ireland (huh?).

And, yes please, gimme anyone but Trump in charge.
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When Trump banned travel from Europe there were something like 45 active cases on the entire continent and he was vilified for it.
 
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#572
#572
MontyPython said:
Dude, are you really this dense or just being obstinate?

FFS.

How about for starters: Given that he admitted to Bernstein that he knew CV19 was a "killer", how about he NOT say that the virus will "just go away" 33 times?

How about if he had just taken it seriously - like any responsible human being would much less our President - and not swept the whole damn thing under the rug.

To this day he's holding indoor rallies. And many are not wearing masks. Thumbing state laws even.

Pure stupidity and hubris.
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Those would not have done anything.

He provided ventilators. States didnt use them. He provided tests, states didnt use them. He provided testing centers states didnt need them. He provided temporary hospitals to deal with overflows, we didnt need them. Hes provided billions to states, researchers, and businesses (I actually hold this against him). Hes cleared read tape to ensure the vaccines go as quickly as possible. He tried to shut down travel got lambasted. He tried working with states and both extremes thumbed their noses at him. New York and California have told him they didnt want his help. Georgia opened up before Trumo wanted. Wheres the cooperation? It's a two way street.

He has done plenty. But as always you continue to harp on what he says.
 
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#573
LouderVol said:
Those would not have done anything.

He provided ventilators. States didnt use them. He provided tests, states didnt use them. He provided testing centers states didnt need them. He provided temporary hospitals to deal with overflows, we didnt need them. Hes provided billions to states, researchers, and businesses (I actually hold this against him). Hes cleared read tape to ensure the vaccines go as quickly as possible. He tried to shut down travel got lambasted. He tried working with states and both extremes thumbed their noses at him. New York and California have told him they didnt want his help. Georgia opened up before Trumo wanted. Wheres the cooperation? It's a two way street.

He has done plenty. But as always you continue to harp on what he says.
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