Shooting in El Paso

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BowlBrother85 said:
That is exactly what I mean by "over-heated rhetoric". That is not supported by crime statistics. You are echoing a Trump campaign applause line that has no basis in fact.

Here are the facts per the Anti-Defamation League (ADL.org):

Although, public figures (this means Trump) have claimed that immigrants are "killers" and "rapists", bringing crime to the U.S.. Study after study has shown, however, that immigrants - regardless of where they are from, what immigration status they hold, and how much education they have completed - are less likely than native-born citizens to commit crimes or to become incarcerated. According to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, while the overall percentage of immigrants and the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. both increased sharply between 1990 and 2010, the violent crime rate in the U.S. during that time plummeted 45 percent and the property crime rate dropped by 42 percent. Studies have consistently found that immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans and that there is a NEGATIVE correlation between levels of immigration and crime rates (meaning the percentages go down with the increase in total numbers). Other studies have in fact found that crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates, and that states with larger shares of undocumented immigrants tend to have lower crime rates than states with smaller shares.
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It’s the truth and even worse is it doesn’t bother you leftists one bit how many Americans get killed, you all are good with it
 
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ajvol01 said:
The victims are discussed? News to me.
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I don't think that many victims are discussed... sometimes specific victims are profiled, but that's definitely not a significant percentage. I do know that they discuss the high crime rate and the disproportionately high amount of gun violence in Chicago.
 
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golfballs said:
I haven’t checked the other thread. Is he not also calling out the dangerous rhetoric from Democrats for provoking domestic terrorists?
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Oh yeah him and all dems here condemn the over the top fear and anger stoking from their party all the time
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't think that many victims are discussed... sometimes specific victims are profiled, but that's definitely not a significant percentage. I do know that they discuss the high crime rate and the disproportionately high amount of gun violence in Chicago.
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I remember a President who was in office for 8 years that was a former senator from Illinois who avoided the Chicago gun violence subject like the plague.
 
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hog88 said:
100% correct.
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That wouldn't explain the Mandalay Bay shooter? Stephen Paddock was 64 years old. That was the most prolific mass shooting in American history.

And if this subject does shift toward keeping the mentally ill from being legally able to purchase guns? I would, once again, remind everyone that Donald Trump signed a bill blocking Obama-era background checks that would have made it easier to flag mentally ill potential gun purchasers. He did so out of deference to the NRA.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That wouldn't explain the Mandalay Bay shooter? Stephen Paddock was 64 years old. That was the most prolific mass shooting in American history.

And if this subject does shift toward keeping the mentally ill from being legally able to purchase guns? I would, once again, remind everyone that Donald Trump signed a bill blocking Obama-era background checks that would have made it easier to flag mentally ill potential gun purchasers. He did so out of deference to the NRA.
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I thought it was Russia.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That wouldn't explain the Mandalay Bay shooter? Stephen Paddock was 64 years old. That was the most prolific mass shooting in American history.

And if this subject does shift toward keeping the mentally ill from being legally able to purchase guns? I would, once again, remind everyone that Donald Trump signed a bill blocking Obama-era background checks that would have made it easier to flag mentally ill potential gun purchasers. He did so out of deference to the NRA.
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Snopes (I know) says you are FOS.

FACT CHECK: Did President Trump Revoke Gun Background Checks for Mentally Ill People?

As for Paddock, that investigation died quickly and quietly without any answers.
 
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GAVol said:
The profiles I'm reading about the shooter make him sound like he may be on the autism spectrum. A loner who had trouble with social interaction. An odd speech pattern etc.
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Autism is much more common today. Curious as to why.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Dude, did you read that? Their conclusion was "Mostly True". That link you just posted was a source I had just used for my information. They did not say that I was FOS. You should read it.
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All the bill he sighed did was prevent the access to social security benefits information. It changed nothing else.
 
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Weezer said:
Outside a recent Trump rally, protesters chanted "lock him up". I'm assuming you're condemning that behavior as well, right? After all, things like that matter.
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I think it's a kind of funny response. Plus.....and this is a big one.....it's not being led and encouraged by the candidate.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It isn't fair to blame Trump for the actions of a gunman. It is fair to point out that Trump's rhetoric on ILLEGAL immigration in both his tweets and at his campaign rallies has been over the top and he has stoked anger and fear as a means of rallying his core base of support around a cause.
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fify
 
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hog88 said:
All the bill he sighed did was prevent the access to social security benefits information. It changed nothing else.
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But that is significant. The rule that Trump overturned gave the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System information from the Social Security Administration regarding people who had been found to be mentally incapable of managing their own financial affairs. So, people not mentally sufficient to watch after their own money, are legally able to purchase a gun.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
But that is significant. The rule that Trump overturned gave the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System information from the Social Security Administration regarding people who had been found to be mentally incapable of managing their own financial affairs. So, people not mentally sufficient to watch after their own money, are legally able to purchase a gun.
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And just how many murders/mass shootings have been perpetrated by those in that category?
 
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hog88 said:
And just how many murders/mass shootings have been perpetrated by those in that category?
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I don't know... but I damn sure don't want anyone who is so mentally impaired that they can't watch after their own money to be legally able to buy a gun. That makes no sense. What good is going to come from them owning a gun? More than likely, such an impaired person would only use it for suicide (such as what sometimes happens with Alzheimer's patients).
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't know... but I damn sure don't want anyone who is so mentally impaired that they can't watch after their own money to be legally able to buy a gun. That makes no sense. What good is going to come from them owning a gun? More than likely, such an impaired person would only use it for suicide.
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You need to look into the issue more.
 
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Septic said:
I can't help it because you don't have the intellectual capacity not to conflate my believing America isn't exceptional with "hate and loathing". That's literally the dumbest most mind numbingly idiotic thing I've read in a long time, which given this environment should be hard to distinguish - and yet it wasn't. I mean I didn't think you were that smart before, now I wonder if you were deprived of oxygen as a neonate.
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Lol, captain toll. He's quite accurate. Dont be so butt hurt.
 
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hog88 said:
You need to look into the issue more.
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I have... nobody found to be so mentally impaired that they can't look after their own finances should be legally able to buy a gun. That is common sense. Owning a gun, requires a degree of responsibility.
 
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