Shooting in El Paso

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SpaceCoastVol said:
What I find interesting is that drunk drivers kill far more people than mass shootings. Yet people get all wrapped up in the Constitution about one and not the other.

And the last I checked, driving is a privelege, not a right AND drunk driving is still a crime.

Owning a firearm is a constitutionally protected RIGHT.
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Setting aside the fact that this thread is full of second amendment arguments, you’re complaining about people selectively ignoring the constitution in one paragraph and then selectively ignoring it in the. very. next. paragraph.

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...”
- The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

So, freedom from unreasonable government intrusion is also a constitutionally protected right.

It’s an all or nothing proposition. If you don’t apply it to everybody, then it protects nobody and is effectively meaningless. If the officer can claim justification for one unfounded stop where he finds an open container, then he doesn’t need a foundation for any stop.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Is it Trump's fault that the El Paso shooting happened? Absolutely not.
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Prove that it isn't Trump's fault! Prove that Trump had no influence with his racism, his hate, and his divisive speaking.

Trump shouldn't go near El Paso. If he does it'll be like rubbing salt in the survivors' wounds.
 
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If words have consequences.....For all we know, the rhetoric from the left, which frankly has been non stop for years, could of been what blew the fuse. Certainly is not making things better at this point.
 
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Coug said:
Prove that it isn't Trump's fault! Prove that Trump had no influence with his racism, his hate, and his divisive speaking.

Trump shouldn't go near El Paso. If he does it'll be like rubbing salt in the survivors' wounds.
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LOL

Political rhetoric, no matter how divisive, isn't incitement of violence. This is such stupidity.

I guess I can blame Obama for the Dallas police shooting or Bernie Sanders for the Congressional baseball shooting against Republicans.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Try the 25th Amendment thingy again, losers.
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Here's the thing. He went on and on using a false comparison to deflect. He whined that it is not fair to point out that the El Paso shooter was right-leaning, but not talk about the Dayton shooter being left leaning.

A number of folks made here yesterday made the same illogical point, and it is obviously making the rounds as a pro-Trump talking point.

The reason that the claim is illegitimate is that the evidence is that politics simply had nothing to do with the Dayton shooting whereas political beliefs were THE motivation for the El Paso shooting. The two situations are simply not comparable.
 
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Coug said:
Prove that it isn't Trump's fault! Prove that Trump had no influence with his racism, his hate, and his divisive speaking.

Trump shouldn't go near El Paso. If he does it'll be like rubbing salt in the survivors' wounds.
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LOL

How is anyone supposed to "prove" any of that? Why don't you try to prove it is his fault or he had influence?
 
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Trump supporters - The press is dangerous by use of their words.

Also Trump supporters - Trump's words are not dangerous.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Setting aside the fact that this thread is full of second amendment arguments, you’re complaining about people selectively ignoring the constitution in one paragraph and then selectively ignoring it in the. very. next. paragraph.

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...”
- The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

So, freedom from unreasonable government intrusion is also a constitutionally protected right.

It’s an all or nothing proposition. If you don’t apply it to everybody, then it protects nobody and is effectively meaningless. If the officer can claim justification for one unfounded stop where he finds an open container, then he doesn’t need a foundation for any stop.
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Exactly what those that advocate gun control are doing. The one I ignore would actually save an appreciable number of lives however.

Everybody is a hypocrite here
 
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Coug said:
Prove that it isn't Trump's fault! Prove that Trump had no influence with his racism, his hate, and his divisive speaking.

Trump shouldn't go near El Paso. If he does it'll be like rubbing salt in the survivors' wounds.
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No he won't. He will be rubbing salt in the butts of those that are butthurt by his existence.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Here's the thing. He went on and on using a false comparison to deflect. He whined that it is not fair to point out that the El Paso shooter was right-leaning, but not talk about the Dayton shooter being left leaning.

A number of folks made here yesterday made the same illogical point, and it is obviously making the rounds as a pro-Trump talking point.

The reason that the claim is illegitimate is that the evidence is that politics simply had nothing to do with the Dayton shooting whereas political beliefs were THE motivation for the El Paso shooting. The two situations are simply not comparable.
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You do not know all the facts on either but think that you do because you read about somewhere. Nevertheless, the responsibility for these shootings rests on the person who was pulling the trigger and no one else.

Shame on anyone, and I mean anyone, using tragedy for political reasons. It's a dick move.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Trump supporters - The press is dangerous by use of their words.

Also Trump supporters - Trump's words are not dangerous.
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Agree. You cant be saying stuff like "people need to learn to speak the language if they are going to come here" and expect the press and Dem's to just let that go.....
 
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37L1 said:
You do not know all the facts on either but think that you do because you read about somewhere. Nevertheless, the responsibility for these shootings rests on the person who was pulling the trigger and no one else.

Shame on anyone, and I mean anyone, using tragedy for political reasons. It's a dick move.
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Just ran across this, thought it suited your post.

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