Should criticism of islam be illegal in the USA?

[gsvol]

Criticism of Islam Could Soon be a Crime in America Creeping Sharia

The OIC is the largest head of state organization in the world after the United Nations (UN) itself and comprises 56 Muslim countries plus the Palestinians. It claims to be the “collective voice of the Muslim world,” i.e., the ummah, and speaks on its behalf in effect as the seat of the next Islamic Caliphate. In 1990, the OIC membership adopted the “Cairo Declaration ,” which officially exempted all Muslim countries from compliance with the UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights and replaced it with Islamic law (shariah).

One of the fundamental laws of Islam deals with “slander ,” which is defined in shariah as saying “anything concerning a person [a Muslim] that he would dislike.” At the OIC’s Third Extraordinary Session, held in Mecca, Saudi Arabia in December 2005, the organization adopted a “Ten-Year Programme of Action to Meet the Challenges Facing the Muslim Ummah in the 21st Century.”

A key agenda item of that meeting was “the need to counter Islamophobia” by seeking to have the UN “…adopt an international resolution to counter Islamophobia, and call upon all States to enact laws to counter it, including deterrent punishments.” The word “Islamophobia” is a completely invented word, coined by the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), a Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) front group. OIC adoption of the term reflects the close operational relationship between the OIC and the Ikhwan.

Six years later, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to host OIC Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu in Washington, DC in mid-December 2011 to discuss how the United States can implement the OIC agenda to criminalize criticism of Islam.
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Now, the OIC’s Ihsanoglu will come to Washington, DC, the capital of one of the only countries in the world with a Constitution that guarantees freedom of speech and a judicial system that consistently defends it, with a publicized agenda to criminalize criticism of Islam. His agenda, and, apparently that of his host, the U.S. Department of State, seek to bring the U.S. into full compliance with Islamic law on slander, as noted above.

 

[utvolpj]

"Could soon be a crime" tells me all I need to know about your source

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

If not for that sticky little 1st Amendment.

 

[golfballs]

Moslems!

 

[lawgator1]

False OP containing false characterization of false facts.

Standard.

 

[utvolpj]

If not for that sticky little 1st Amendment.

I guess gs thinks the Muslims will be able to get rid of that in their grand scheme to destroy America

 

[BearCat204]

"Could soon be a crime" tells me all I need to know about your source

Websense here at work told me all I needed to know about the source..................

Reason:
This Websense category is filtered: Racism and Hate.

URL:
Criticism of Islam Could Soon be a Crime in America Creeping Sharia a-crime-in-america/

 

[utvolpj]

lol: just wait until you have to explain gs in your review

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And yet just today, you have some clown in California wanting to file a suit against Lowe's for pulling ads to a Muslim TV show. It may not be illegal (yet), but you certainly have people that don't think twice about using the legal system to resolve their grievances when it comes to others that may attack (or in this case remove ad dollars from) Islam.

Laugh away folks. In either case, the court system is getting involved.

 

[gsvol]

"Could soon be a crime" tells me all I need to know about your source

So you expect this to be reported on the 6 o'clock news?

It is already a crime in most European countries.

False OP containing false characterization of false facts.

Standard.

Just what fact do you find to be false?

Websense here at work told me all I needed to know about the source..................

Where do you work and who runs 'websense'?

FWIW, this is on a lot of websites.

And yet just today, you have some clown in California wanting to file a suit against Lowe's for pulling ads to a Muslim TV show. It may not be illegal (yet), but you certainly have people that don't think twice about using the legal system to resolve their grievances when it comes to others that may attack (or in this case remove ad dollars from) Islam.

Laugh away folks. In either case, the court system is getting involved.

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer

The California congressman you speak of has said that he will attempt to pass legislation if Lowes doesn't pay up. (in islam this is called jirza for infidels.)

It is already labled a 'hate crime' here in America to attack a moslem, under the odius 'pedophile protection act' that was amended into a military funding bill that was sure to pass.

Islam is the only religion included with a heinz 57 variety of perverts with special protection.

And to make matters worse, Senator Grassley added an amendment clarifying that the act would never infringe on our first amendment rights.

It is said that the dhimirats would have withdrawn their amendment if the Grassley amendment had passed.

The Grassley amendment failed and there were six republican senators who didn't vote at all on the Grassley amendment, if any one of them had voted for the Grassley amendment then it would have passed.

Two of the senators who didn't cast a vote were Tennessee's own Alexander and Corker.

They need not ever ask for my vote again, as a matter of fact I didn't vote for Alexander last time, even before that incident.


BTW, Hitlery looks like she's had the lick these days.

 

[YorkVol]

All religions should be criticized loudly and continuously, even my own.

 

[lawgator1]

Just what fact do you find to be false?

This is the conclusion of the original post you placed here:

"His agenda, and, apparently that of his host, the U.S. Department of State, seek to bring the U.S. into full compliance with Islamic law on slander, as noted above."


Let's analyze what is going on here.

There is a movement to have the UN, which is the main world-wide organization of governments, recognize that there is this huge and very dangerous anti-Muslim sentiment brewing all over the world. Whether you want to call it backlash for 9/11, or simply anti-Arabic racism thinly disguised as being anti-terror, is not the issue.

The point is, there is this entire culture of people, the vast majority of whom are peaceful and just want to get on with their lives, who are Islamic in faith and they sense the resentment which sometimes spills over into hateful speech and occasional violence and they are afraid.

And so they take their case to raise awareness to the UN.

The bigoted irrational hate machine, of which you are a standard bearer, tries to manipulate that into some nonsense that the U.S.is about to pass some kind of law that bans anti-Islamic speech.

Now, you and your filthily dumb ilk give no details on how this will occur. Will it be Congressional and nation-wide? Will it be done by the states? What will it look like?

The truth is there is no such effort. You take a benign movement to raise awareness of this problem and try to portray it as something sinister, which it isn't. You make up facts and you bait people with tag lines implying that there is some sort of conspiracy to end the First Amendment so as to protect these people, implying of course that its part of their master plan.

You and your brethren are utter and complete Nazis. That's right, I cam calling YOU, gsvol, a Nazi. Ban me forever, I don't care. I'll call you and your nonsense out in this and any forum I can !!!

 

[therealUT]

I wonder if GS knows that burning a cross is illegal in thirteen states.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I wonder if GS knows that burning a cross is illegal in thirteen states.

dang pc

 

[lawgator1]

I wonder if GS knows that burning a cross is illegal in thirteen states.

Muslims got that law passed, you know.

 

[orangestorm]

And yet just today, you have some clown in California wanting to file a suit against Lowe's for pulling ads to a Muslim TV show. It may not be illegal (yet), but you certainly have people that don't think twice about using the legal system to resolve their grievances when it comes to others that may attack (or in this case remove ad dollars from) Islam.

Laugh away folks. In either case, the court system is getting involved.

People can sue about anything, it does not mean that the entire legal system will change over what Lowes did. Lowes can pull their adds for whatever show they want, they can also be criticized for this by any group for any reason. It changes nothing and does not change any law.

 

[gsvol]

"Could soon be a crime" tells me all I need to know about your source

It already is if you read the 'pedophile protection act' closely, although the wording is a bit ambiguous.

"It is easier to resist in the beginning than in the end."
Leonardo Da Vinci

If not for that sticky little 1st Amendment.

And you expect the American Communist Lawers Union to protect that right for you, or even the US Justice Department as run by the dispicable Holder?

The ACLU, as you know, has filed tens of thousands of suits in attempts to bar anything hinting at Christianity in the public square but has also sued for the rights of moslems for prayer time in workplaces and schools and the serving of hallal foods in schools etc.

If you value the 1st amendment (and other amendments as well), you had better stick up for them yourself instead of expecting someone else to do that.

Websense here at work told me all I needed to know about the source..................

Your pals at websense have contributed software to enable censorship in at least two foreign countries, China and Yemen.

I've read a lot of articles on the site 'creeping sharia' and have not read anything hateful or racist.

Creeping sharia has become leaping sharia under the present administration.

Not such a pretty sound if you are not a moslem and living within earshot of that sound.

This is the conclusion of the original post you placed here:

"His agenda, and, apparently that of his host, the U.S. Department of State, seek to bring the U.S. into full compliance with Islamic law on slander, as noted above."

If that is not his agenda, what is his agenda?

Let's analyze what is going on here.

There is a movement to have the UN, which is the main world-wide organization of governments, recognize that there is this huge and very dangerous anti-Muslim sentiment brewing all over the world. Whether you want to call it backlash for 9/11, or simply anti-Arabic racism thinly disguised as being anti-terror, is not the issue.

The point is, there is this entire culture of people, the vast majority of whom are peaceful and just want to get on with their lives, who are Islamic in faith and they sense the resentment which sometimes spills over into hateful speech and occasional violence and they are afraid.

And so they take their case to raise awareness to the UN.

Actually it the knowledge of nearly 1,500 years of brutal islamic jihad, agressive jihad, that bothers a lot of people, those who take the time to become aware instead of studying how to be the most politically correct member of any group understand this.

The bigoted irrational hate machine, of which you are a standard bearer, tries to manipulate that into some nonsense that the U.S.is about to pass some kind of law that bans anti-Islamic speech.

The Saudis spend over a billion $$ annually to do just that, to pass anti-'islamophobia' laws in every country not already under islamic law.

Now, you and your filthily dumb ilk give no details on how this will occur. Will it be Congressional and nation-wide? Will it be done by the states? What will it look like?

Filthy and dumb?

I would reply in like kind to your slur but then we have a very biased milo monitor lurking about.

To put it bluntly. :finger3:

The truth is there is no such effort. You take a benign movement to raise awareness of this problem and try to portray it as something sinister, which it isn't. You make up facts and you bait people with tag lines implying that there is some sort of conspiracy to end the First Amendment so as to protect these people, implying of course that its part of their master plan.

Islam is benign??

On what freaking planet do you live?

You and your brethren are utter and complete Nazis. That's right, I cam calling YOU, gsvol, a Nazi. Ban me forever, I don't care. I'll call you and your nonsense out in this and any forum I can !!!

I might remind you that it was your brethren the moslems who were aligned with the nazis and Japan during my lifespan and I had relatives who risked their lives fighting against them to preserve the freedoms you are so willing to glady give up now.

Again, :finger3::finger3::finger3::finger3:

If one of us is a nazi, it is you.

People can sue about anything, it does not mean that the entire legal system will change over what Lowes did. Lowes can pull their adds for whatever show they want, they can also be criticized for this by any group for any reason. It changes nothing and does not change any law.

The congressman in question has threatened to get a resolution passed in congress condeming the company in question if they don't publicly appologize and renew their sponsorship.

of course that is going to happen now but it certainly could happen if and when the dhimirats regain control of the house and senate.

 

[utvolpj]

It already is if you read the 'pedophile protection act' closely, although the wording is a bit ambiguous.

then please quote the part that says it's illegal to criticize Islam

 

[therealUT]

For those who are interested in actually reading the Declaration (this would be good for you to actually read, GS):

Resolution adopted by the Human Rights Council*

16/18

Combating intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatization of, and discrimination, incitement to violence and violence against, persons based on religion or belief

The Human Rights Council,

Reaffirming the commitment made by all States under the Charter of the United Nations to promote and encourage universal respect for and observance of all human rights and fundamental freedoms without distinction as to, inter alia, religion or belief,

Reaffirming also the obligation of States to prohibit discrimination on the basis of religion or belief and to implement measures to guarantee the equal and effective protection of the law,

Reaffirming further that the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides, inter alia, that everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion or belief, which shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching,

Reaffirming the positive role that the exercise of the right to freedom of opinion and expression and the full respect for the freedom to seek, receive and impart information can play in strengthening democracy and combating religious intolerance,

Deeply concerned about incidents of intolerance, discrimination and violence against persons based on their religion or belief in all regions of the world,

Deploring any advocacy of discrimination or violence on the basis of religion or belief,

 

[therealUT]

Continued.

Strongly deploring all acts of violence against persons on the basis of their religion or belief, as well as any such acts directed against their homes, businesses, properties, schools, cultural centres or places of worship,

Concerned about actions that wilfully exploit tensions or target individuals on the basis of their religion or belief,

Noting with deep concern the instances of intolerance, discrimination and acts of violence in many parts of the world, including cases motivated by discrimination against persons belonging to religious minorities, in addition to the negative projection of the followers of religions and the enforcement of measures that specifically discriminate against persons on the basis of religion or belief,

Recognizing the valuable contribution of people of all religions or beliefs to humanity and the contribution that dialogue among religious groups can make towards an improved awareness and understanding of the common values shared by all humankind,

Recognizing also that working together to enhance implementation of existing legal regimes that protect individuals against discrimination and hate crimes, increase interfaith and intercultural efforts, and to expand human rights education are important first steps in combating incidents of intolerance, discrimination and violence against individuals on the basis of religion or belief,

1. Expresses deep concern at the continued serious instances of derogatory stereotyping, negative profiling and stigmatization of persons based on their religion or belief, as well as programmes and agendas pursued by extremist organizations and groups aimed at creating and perpetuating negative stereotypes about religious groups, in particular when condoned by Governments;

2. Expresses its concern that incidents of religious intolerance, discrimination and related violence, as well as of negative stereotyping of individuals on the basis of religion or belief, continue to rise around the world, and condemns, in this context, any advocacy of religious hatred against individuals that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence, and urges States to take effective measures, as set forth in the present resolution, consistent with their obligations under international human rights law, to address and combat such incidents;

 

[therealUT]

Continued.

3. Condemns any advocacy of religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence, whether it involves the use of print, audio-visual or electronic media or any other means;

4. Recognizes that the open public debate of ideas, as well as interfaith and intercultural dialogue, at the local, national and international levels can be among the best protections against religious intolerance and can play a positive role in strengthening democracy and combating religious hatred, and convinced that a continuing dialogue on these issues can help overcome existing misperceptions;

5. Notes the speech given by Secretary-General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference at the fifteenth session of the Human Rights Council, and draws on his call on States to take the following actions to foster a domestic environment of religious tolerance, peace and respect, by:

(a) Encouraging the creation of collaborative networks to build mutual understanding, promoting dialogue and inspiring constructive action towards shared policy goals and the pursuit of tangible outcomes, such as servicing projects in the fields of education, health, conflict prevention, employment, integration and media education;

(b) Creating an appropriate mechanism within Governments to, inter alia, identify and address potential areas of tension between members of different religious communities, and assisting with conflict prevention and mediation;

(c) Encouraging training of Government officials in effective outreach strategies;

(d) Encouraging the efforts of leaders to discuss within their communities the causes of discrimination, and evolving strategies to counter these causes;

(e) Speaking out against intolerance, including advocacy of religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence;

(f) Adopting measures to criminalize incitement to imminent violence based on religion or belief;

 

[therealUT]

Continued.

(g) Understanding the need to combat denigration and negative religious stereotyping of persons, as well as incitement to religious hatred, by strategizing and harmonizing actions at the local, national, regional and international levels through, inter alia, education and awareness-building;

(h) Recognizing that the open, constructive and respectful debate of ideas, as well as interfaith and intercultural dialogue at the local, national and international levels, can play a positive role in combating religious hatred, incitement and violence;

6. Calls upon all States:

(a) To take effective measures to ensure that public functionaries in the conduct of their public duties do not discriminate against an individual on the basis of religion or belief;

(b) To foster religious freedom and pluralism by promoting the ability of members of all religious communities to manifest their religion, and to contribute openly and on an equal footing to society;

(c) To encourage the representation and meaningful participation of individuals, irrespective of their religion, in all sectors of society;

(d) To make a strong effort to counter religious profiling, which is understood to be the invidious use of religion as a criterion in conducting questionings, searches and other law enforcement investigative procedures;

7. Encourages States to consider providing updates on efforts made in this regard as part of ongoing reporting to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights;

8. Calls upon States to adopt measures and policies to promote the full respect for and protection of places of worship and religious sites, cemeteries and shrines, and to take measures in cases where they are vulnerable to vandalism or destruction;

9. Calls for strengthened international efforts to foster a global dialogue for the promotion of a culture of tolerance and peace at all levels, based on respect for human rights and diversity of religions and beliefs, and decides to convene a panel discussion on this issue at its seventeenth session, within existing resources.

 

[utvolpj]

good thing we don't believe any of that crap in the good ol US of A! Yeehaw

 

[therealUT]

GS, can you let us know which part of this declaration you specifically disagree with, by section number?

 

[golfballs]

Should criticism of gsvol be illegal in the VN?