gsvol
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I too dated a Muslim for a good while. Her family was cooler than mine.
Not hard to believe, especially the second part but then they are probably all cooler than you anyway, even you can't realize that.
Surely your experience isn't the norm......
Last evening I went Christmas shopping and when one clerk (a middle aged lady I thought may have come from Eastern Europe) greeted me I remarked that I detected an accent, where was she from?
She said 'Afghanistan' and I told her than my greatgrandmother was a ________ (the most well known place name in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region) and she inquired about the family and I said I knew little of any of their history since when she married my greatgrandad her family disowned her and never had any more contact with her. (she lived to the ripe old age of 97 and none of her birth family ever had anything at all to do with her as far as I know.)
The lady terminated the conversation at that point and though there were no other shoppers within sight (I thought the crowd of Christmas shoppers was very sparse [so much for obamanomics] for this time of year, a week before Christmas, when normally it's hard to find elbow room, one young clerk [a nice looking young African American who hopes to be on one of those modeling TV shows soon) said she felt lonely, even though everything in her small shop was marked 1/2 price I think we were the only ones who even came in for at least the thirty minutes we were in that area.
Anyway I wished the lady from Afghanistan a "Merry Christmas" at which point she put her boots into high gear in seach of some other shopper.
An elaboration on my Greatgrandmother, one time a long while ago, my uncle was driving a team of mules up the long steep hill to Union Hill and stopped to let the mules blow and get their wind again. Coming down was one of the my greatgrandmother's brothers with his son, a cousin of my uncle and they stopped and chatted for a while.
After each continued their journey my uncle's cousin said to his dad; " you know who that was don't you, that was your sister's son," at which point my greatgrandmother's brother proceeded to curse my family name at the top of his lungs for the next ten miles until they reached their destination, White's Creek.
My greatgrandad's family originally came from the Black Forest of Germany and was a horse breeder who kept four stallions, a draft stud, a carriage stud, a saddle horse stud and a utility stud. 'Utility' was for those poorer people who had what was called a 'one horse farm', having one horse that would serve to pull a buggy to church and so forth, pull the hay wagon or such and serve as a riding horse and plow horse as well.
My ancestor's farm was located at the highest point in Davidsion County, the tallest broadcast tower (WLAC) just north of Nashville is located on his old farm.
He died at a young age, my grandfather was only eight at the time and became the man of the family and sent his younger brother through college. I've always wondered if my greatgrandfather was a victim of an honor killing or did he really die in an accident, at any rate, in over a hundred years, no other member of his church has ever had a longer mourning time.
Curious......who is this General that was relieved due to his remarks about Islam?
Some more elaboration on Boykin who was deputy under-secretary of defence for intelligence.
His greatest violation was probably speaking well of Christianity.
When the first public assault on Boykin began, led by the BBC, NY Slimes, WAPO aka Pravda on the Potomac and other media outlets, at the urging of various islamic special interest groups, General Richard Myers, chair of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it did not look as if Lt Gen Boykin had broken any rules.
(Other than the rule that one must at all times observe the rules of political correctness.)
Your sarcasm is well founded. Today's Muslim terrorists are nowhere near as bad as the crusaders.
I have no idea why some people keep making such irrevelent, inaccurate and silly comments like yours, but they do.
Who was that commander you are talking about? Chuck Swannack was at the 82nd and he didn't get canned until they went to Iraq and he got in a tiff with Rummy. He dealt with Bosnian Muslims during our deployment together in Bosnia and by everything I saw he had few criticisms for anyone but the mugs, thugs and wackos. Dan McNeil was the 18th Abn Corps Cdr and he got his 4th star and moved up to Command Forces Command. Lloyd Austin was commanding the 10th Mountain and he just closed out the mission in Iraq. Dick Cody ended up as the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army. Stanley McChriystal, the JSOC commander got fired when his staff made fun of Uncle Joe to a Rolling Stone reporter. Anyway, those were the major commanders at the time so if you could find the link that would be helpful.
Gen. Boykin, I may have misrepresented his postion, my appologies.
Speaking of Bosnia:
Canadian General Lewis MacKenzie:
"We bombed the wrong side."
Kosovo - We bombed the wrong side
Let's not forget Fuller.
CNN as well as every other media outlet, reported the following in early November:
General John R. Allen, commander of the International Security Assistance Force, said Major Gen. Peter Fuller was relieved of duty, effective immediately, for making "inappropriate public comments."
Fuller, who was helping train and equip Afghan security forces, made less-than-diplomatic comments about the Afghan government and its leaders to a Politico reporter, including claims that some Afghan leaders are "isolated from reality."
Politico quoted Fuller as criticizing Afghan President Hamid Karzai for saying Afghanistan would side with Pakistan against America in war.
"Why don't you just poke me in the eye with a needle?" Fuller said. "You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, we just gave you $11.6 billion, and now you're telling me, 'I don't really care'?"
U.S. (politically correct) officials have said Karzai's remarks were misunderstood.
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He (Fuller) told Politico he recently told the Afghans: "I said, 'You guys are isolated from reality.' The reality is, the world economy is having some significant hiccups. The U.S. is in this (too). If you're in a very poor country like Afghanistan, you think that America has roads paved in gold; everybody lives in Hollywood. They don't understand the sacrifices that America is making to provide for their security. And I think that's part of my job, to educate 'em."
Regarding churches, there are plenty of churches in the country, many are Russian Orthodox but new ones have been built in recent years. True you won't find too many in the southern part of the country, but you will find some. Yes, there have been instances of Talibs burning down churches and schools, but those are mostly local power struggles rather than major political statements at this point.
Since we helped the islamists take over Kosovo (the heartland of Christian Serbia, over 200 churches (some 700+ years old) and monasteries have been destroyed, even Christian cemeteries had been desecrated with headstones broken or carried off and the moslems going so far as to dig up graves and scatter the bones.
This isn't an uncommon event, as a matter of fact everywhere islam has become predominant they have tried to eradicate any memory of any Christian heritage and unfortunately have been all too successful.
An example in Saudi Arabia:
4th Century Assyrian Church in Saudi Arabia
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Do you think the government of Afghanistan will protect the rights of Christians in that country or will it be more like Kosovo after we pull out.
Bear in mind what is happeneing to the Christians of Iraq which is rarely if ever reported upon in the American media.
I'll take your suggestion and read the book.
Neato.
Be aware that this book became practically inaccessable for nearly 35 years, in the late seventies one researcher looked into the library card catalogs of over 200 american universities and found it listed in only one, the univ of Texas and even then the copy of the book was missing, Quigley said himself that if he had known publishing such information would cause such a flap, he wouldn't have written the book and he was voted by the student body of the prestigious Columbia univ, "most influential professor on campus" for 28 consecutive years.
If you have access to an intelligence library let me recommend reading the top secret codeword documents 'history of WWI from an intelligence perspective and 'history of WWII from an intelligence perspective.' (might not be the exact titles, this from personal memory of a half century ago.)
I generally don't call anyone names.
No point in it unless you are just having fun.
That was directed to the many namecallers on this board, not you in particular.
BTW, thanks for your first hand accounts of what it is like in Afghanistan, I greatly appreciate your input, compared to what some ignoramouses post, your posts are priceless.