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Legion of Doom said:
I feel like in first half he could have played a few minutes there. I don’t get that at all. If he gets a third foul so what. He is a smart player. That is where game was lost.
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Every coach in America sits ZZ there. That’s an almost automatic decision. Criticizing Barnes for that decision shows a profound ignorance of basketball…something many of our fans are just chomping at the bit to do.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Every coach in America sits ZZ there. That’s an almost automatic decision. Criticizing Barnes for that decision shows a profound ignorance of basketball…something many of our fans are just chomping at the bit to do.
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I agree with the sitting of ZZ after his second foul, but the Vandy coach played Manon in the first half until he got his third. Kid then picked up his 4th in the first minute of the second half. Again agreeing with CRB’s decision but to think it’s automatic or what another poster said all coaches do is incorrect.
 
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wmcovol said:
If ZZ had played & he got his 3rd foul, everyone would be saying “he should have taken ZZ out”. They lost the game in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half with terrible defensive effort.
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Golfprovol said:
2 fouls. He gets a third and wecwould have been hosed in the 2nd. Who would have thought Gainey would disappear.
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Agree, the defense was a major factor. ZZ had 6 pts, 6 assists 1 steal and zero turnovers. In the last 7:10 1 field goal and 3 turnovers. CRB said he thought they could “hold on”. Anyway just as I said imo
 
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kell7517 said:
I agree with the sitting of ZZ after his second foul, but the Vandy coach played Manon in the first half until he got his third. Kid then picked up his 4th in the first minute of the second half. Again agreeing with CRB’s decision but to think it’s automatic or what another poster said all coaches do is incorrect.
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That’s fair. But it’s also fair to point out that Manon isn’t ZZ. Having one foul out is not the same as the other fouling out. Perhaps I should say “almost every coach.” It’s the normal move.
 
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JBD_Vol said:
If players are only going to give 80% effort, do you think the coach should let it happen.

I can think of a couple of coaches over the years that didn’t allow that. They weren’t my favorite team’s coach, but the truth is they didn’t allow that to happen.
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Were you there? In the post you’re agreeing with, was that poster physically in the gym? How does someone know what is being stated because the TV view isn‘t able to show anywhere near the full picture of everything off-ball.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Every coach in America sits ZZ there. That’s an almost automatic decision. Criticizing Barnes for that decision shows a profound ignorance of basketball…something many of our fans are just chomping at the bit to do.
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I don’t know NHV, maybe the drive-by folks are onto something and us and 97% of the coaches in college basketball have just been wrong forever.
 
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We all feel terrible to lose to Vandy and to blame it all on one missed FT really isn’t fair seeing we just got our rears handed to us most of the day. No one feels any worse than Lanier which did hold the outcome on his hand.
That said, how many past games have we seen in recent years where we simply do not pull these type games out and lose on a last second shot or the way we did yesterday? The only exception would be against Illinois when Gainey hit one at the buzzer, but far too many times we end up feeling sick and have to just eat up another loss. I’ve even seen it with the Lady Vols too losing on a last second circus shot and against SC last year when they get beat on a last second bank shot three pointer.
I’m not at all blaming Barnes, but it would seem we could pull some of these type games out the way we did when Pearl did or even seems to do now with those criminal “war eagles”. I just had the feeling after a courageous come back we’d fall short and feel worse because of not being able to close out a last second victory
 
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According to what Valontario said above, we evidently wanted to just hold on. That’s the way we played.You saw the number of shots and scores we had in the last 7:10 of the game.

The proven excellent coaches whether anyone likes that or not who were again not coaching my favorite basketball team over the years with one obvious exception noted below along with another not playing sports, but doing his job basically perfectly were not like that. They wanted huge effort and smarts all the time, basically 100% on the offensive and defensive ends or in the booth.

We have a very good to excellent defensive team.

We need the coaches to make our offensive team just as great. And yes, it can be done. We have and can have that type of team and coaches to do that now.

If we do that, we can win the whole deal.

That being said, it’s not about who the personnel is whether coach or player personality-wise regarding the sports teams that I have supported since I paid attention to sports. The Vols are my team regardless of who is playing and coaching, although a number of them have been great to have with us over the years because they were/are interesting. Regardless, it is about winning.

Given that I graduated from the university, I’ve seen a couple of games on site and of course on television and even back in the day listened to the radio in Springfield with John Ward who was the best sports commentator ever because he meant to be. Go watch Charles Davis‘comments at the memorial for Mr. Ward. He saw excellence and learned how to be like that. That’s why he does what he does today.

It is about winning for the University of Tennessee volunteers. That’s what it’s about.

Obviously, a number of people here don’t like it when pointed out, but the coaching and playing described above is not the the best we should have and there is not an excuse to avoid getting to be the best.

We were the number one team in the country for about five weeks for the first time ever and then we got blown out by a team who is good no doubt and then beaten by a team we should easily handle, who whether anybody likes it or not has been one of our biggest basketball rivalries since I’ve been around and keeping up with UT which basically began for me in the mid 70s with Bernie, Ernie, Mike Jackson, Johnny Darden and Reggie Johnson, not to mention a few others that played with them and went on and played in later years.

It does not matter that we are playing the commode doors at the commode. We should always play them wherever like that play in the 80s where Tyrone Beaman took the ball down the court on a break and absolutely slammed over the top of Jimmy Gray.

If you boys want to snuggle up to your favs, go right ahead and get that participation trophy. I want whatever coach we have to lead our teams to win because it can be dne and we should have the same level from the players, regardless of the sport.

In short, a Pat Summit type would be nice. Yes, it can be done because we had one here and we can do it again and we have even now what we need to do it.
 
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Golfprovol said:
WTF do you people always say we don't have the coaching in every sport? How is Rick Barnes not a good coach? Who would be better?
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I think most who are not happy at this time expect that he and his players can be better. Also, I think a number, while not the happiest with the football or women's bball teams this year, believe that they also can be better, but they are not wanting new coaches.

Those people who want new coaches are like those who think all is well with the bball vols except they are in the opposite direction. One group is in fits because we did not go all the way in football so the coaches MUST be replaced. The other side is like all is ok that the team who was #1 in the country for 5 weeks is just fine after being blown out and then being beat by a huge rival.

Rick Barnes is a very good coach. He has very good players. They need to drop the dumb losses like those mentioned in the last paragraph. We might have gotten beat by fla, but the #1 team in the country should never have lost by 30. As for the commode doors, that is simply unexcusable.
 
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JBD_Vol said:
I think most who are not happy at this time expect that he and his players can be better. Also, I think a number, while not the happiest with the football or women's bball teams this year, believe that they also can be better, but they are not wanting new coaches.

Those people who want new coaches are like those who think all is well with the bball vols except they are in the opposite direction. One group is in fits because we did not go all the way in football so the coaches MUST be replaced. The other side is like all is ok that the team who was #1 in the country for 5 weeks is just fine after being blown out and then being beat by a huge rival.

Rick Barnes is a very good coach. He has very good players. They need to drop the dumb losses like those mentioned in the last paragraph. We might have gotten beat by fla, but the #1 team in the country should never have lost by 30. As for the commode doors, that is simply unexcusable.
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To say a loss is inexcusable is stupid. It is a game that cannot be totally controlled. Shots fall, shots dont. It is a game that could be decided because the ball bounced off someone foot on a drive. Now what are the odds that person would be in that exact spot at that exact time for the ball to hit his foot? Point being, there is an uncontrollable element to it. Plus, Vandy has D-1 quality athlets as well.

Show me 1 team in ANY sport, professional or college, that does not have "inexcusable" losses.......I'll wait
 
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Golfprovol said:
To say a loss is inexcusable is stupid. It is a game that cannot be totally controlled. Shots fall, shots dont. It is a game that could be decided because the ball bounced off someone foot on a drive. Now what are the odds that person would be in that exact spot at that exact time for the ball to hit his foot? Point being, there is an uncontrollable element to it. Plus, Vandy has D-1 quality athlets as well.

Show me 1 team in ANY sport, professional or college, that does not have "inexcusable" losses.......I'll wait
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I’m not dealing with something like that. It is obvious that a team can lose because they play the game. That is a point you make that is obvious as gravity so that you can avoid what has been pointed out. What I’m saying is there’s no reason that should’ve happened and neither should have the blowout at Florida happened.

As not here explain previously,, there are people associated with the University of Tennessee, who in their time here absolutely refused that kind of an attitude which you hold.

You guys can keep on thinking it’s OK to get beat by 30 and then lose to a huge rival after being number one in the country for five weeks. It’s not going to make me change my mind and so, keep on doing your stuff.

You can’t argue about me wanting Rick Barnes to be fired because I don’t and you can go back and look at posts from even before this year and see that.

So keep on coming up with the same stuff over and over, then switch to something like you just did which everybody obviously knows can happen and which totally avoids what I’ve been saying. I did the same thing last year and the group like you did the same thing. I love it when the Tennessee volunteers win and become champions. That is the difference between us. I will not change.

It would be interesting to have observed a situation where you held that attitude with Pat Summit or John Ward. I think Charlles Davis gave us a little idea about what John Ward thought about that attitude and I guarantee you there’s a lot of people who have no love for the Tennessee Vols that know what Pat Summit would’ve thought about it, or JJ McCluskey, or a lot of others around the walls over the years.
 
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GetEmVols said:
Only participating you are doing is bashing our coaches. You are against us. If we win a title I don’t want to hear any “I’ll gladly eat my crow” nonsense either
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As I wrote in another response just a moment ago, your group has switched again. Comments about coaching and team playing that can be betteris not bashing. I have already written that we could actually be great and win the whole deal. We need a change of attitude. If I am wrong, then I need you to explain clearly and not avoiding anything why that pat Summit was not good because her attitude is easily described because it was seen like 1 million times Along with people who also believed it like John Ward, JJ, McClaskey, etc., as has been written.

As for if we win at all and me apologizing, I certainly wouldn’t be apologizing for something I’ve already said we need to do to win at all.

As for you not wanting to hear anything, if you’re around me, I’ll say whatever I want to and I doubt anybody’s gonna do anything to stop that.
 
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