Should Players Get Paid?

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Tyler Bray gained 20lbs once he was off the "scholarship check" and could spend more money on food. That was a telling comment--maybe because he lived off campus and didn't eat in the athlete dorm, he could only afford cheap food with the amount he was given. But, a student athlete shouldn't have to worry about that.

The other thing I find hard to understand is the limitations on what you can spend even if your parents can afford it. We are so concerned about NCAA sanctions that our student athletes have to account for every penny, even if they have a trust fund that would allow them to spend whatever they wanted. That doesn't make sense to me.


My view: Anything you do on the field, during regularly scheduled team events and during the regularly scheduled school year(I would include bowl games in this)=no pay, this is just part of the scholarship deal.

Anything you do outside of that as a university representative(sans charity events)=pay a standard industry rate.

Any time the university requires you to be on campus outside of the regular school calendar=pay a standard amount.

Any time your image or name is used in a promotional capacity=pay per industry rate

I would apply this to all athletes. Since most just do their thing during the school year and on their particular playing field, most would not get paid. But, if you have an Olympics caliber swimmer who does a lot of promo for the university, that student should get paid for that work. If your lacrosse team goes to the national championship and you use them to promote the school, they should get paid.

But, I would also apply the same standard to a student on an academic scholarship. You use their image or send them to a conference to represent the school, they should get paid.

You could keep the amateur status by paying them a smaller portion of the industry rate while in school and putting the rest in trust for when they graduate.
 
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utvolpj said:
anyone figure out yet where the money going to come from?
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Or the actual amount a "stipend" should be? Or who determines that? Is cost of living factored in? Do walk-ons get a stipend or just scholly players? Can North dakota State afford the same stipend as Texas or Ohio State?


The people that advocate paying athletes never seem to be able to answer a few simple questions.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Because there are other students who are on academic scholarship who get a free education too but the universities don't make any money off of them. The NCAA is filthy rich because of these kids. If you think what the NCAA makes off of athletes is comparable to the cost of tuition you are dead wrong.
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There are students who make money for the school in terms of convincing more students to come to that school as well as bringing more fame and notoriety to the school. Here is an example. This student should get something for their use of her image to promote the school.

Sandhya Kambhampati named journalism
 
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fade route said:
Or the actual amount a "stipend" should be? Or who determines that? Is cost of living factored in? Do walk-ons get a stipend or just scholly players? Can North dakota State afford the same stipend as Texas or Ohio State?


The people that advocate paying athletes never seem to be able to answer a few simple questions.
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It's funny when we agree.

Here's another thing.

What is the value of a full ride to Vanderbilt vs a full ride to Mississippi state?

Should that be factored in as well?
 
#82
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There are a ton of questions and issues to work through and because it would be hard lets not do it....i am glad none of you work for NASA
 
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99gator said:
It's funny when we agree.

Here's another thing.

What is the value of a full ride to Vanderbilt vs a full ride to Mississippi state?

Should that be factored in as well?
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Your presence on VN still makes no sense to me, and you occasionally take bush league shots at UT, but on most topics you seem to be level headed and objective.
 
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volfanhill said:
There are a ton of questions and issues to work through and because it would be hard lets not do it....i am glad none of you work for NASA
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That's not it at all.

If we want to step into reality, like everything else, the "rich" (money making programs) would make out like a bandit because of unintended consequences and the "poor" (athletes) would end up being worse off.

It happens every time. Then, someone will step in to fix what they screwed up and make it worse yet again.

Because of title Ix, the vast majority of athletes would not be better off at all.
 
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I don`t think it would be unreasonable to give them a small allowance.
Between school work and football practice, they don`t have time for a job.
Everyone needs a little spending money for extras.

Considering the amount of money the young men bring to the schools, I think an allowance would be the fair thing to do.
 
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SlyStone said:
They should be paid, but the questions is how to regulate it.
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If they're being paid, can they organize and form a college players union? And if they're being paid, can they go ahead and sign with an agent out of high school?
 
#88
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No....and the government doesn't need anymore involvement either. Wish they were out of it altogether.
 
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volfanhill said:
There are a ton of questions and issues to work through and because it would be hard lets not do it....i am glad none of you work for NASA
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College football is one of the greatest socialist enterprises of all time. It is a beloved institution that would be instantly ruined by the application of free market ideologies - can you imagine the carpetbagging that would happen with high school students and their parents (most of whom will be completely untutored in contract negotiation) trying to sign deals to universities? What if students had the freedom to switch teams as the coaches do? How long would Da'Rick have been a Vol??? Alabama could probably always out bid us. Is that a good thing? The kids would be exploited in far worse ways under contract law, and in most cases, I think, would not see major returns, while I think those who knew how to exploit contract law would.

Are the kids exploited? Clearly at the big BCS schools, the argument could be made. I would be careful here though. I think there is something to be said for being recruited into a disciplined brotherhood, for being a part of something bigger than yourself. For getting what is now a very expensive education. For being on the national stage. For being a part of the tradition and pagentry. These are true Socialist values, and these are what make the spectacle so grand.

To bring the free market into college football at the player level will be to witness the greatest market failure since the disintegration of the Soviet Union. It must keeps to its Socialist roots.
 
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fade route said:
If they're being paid, can they organize and form a college players union? And if they're being paid, can they go ahead and sign with an agent out of high school?
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Yes. Given the revenue they generate, all of this is common sense.
 
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99gator said:
Can they be fired for not attending class or being late to practice?

Is there a probationary employment period?
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Honestly, it should probably be separated from school altogether. It's just grown too big. It really has nothing to do with education at this point. The players are already being treated as employees. They can be "fired" (have their scholarships pulled) for whatever reason the coach sees fit. It's time to stop pretending they are amateurs and pay them just as if college football were the NFL's minor league (which it is).
 
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#93
If the schools paid the athletes even something as paltry as $500 per month, that would equal well over 2 mil per year that the athletic department must come up with. Were again does that money come from?

Also, would some smaller schools just eliminate some sports all together so they wouldn't have to pay a stipend to low revenue producing sports?
 
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fade route said:
If the schools paid the athletes even something as paltry as $500 per month, that would equal well over 2 mil per year that the athletic department must come up with. Were again does that money come from?
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UT has spent dozens of millions of dollars on nice but unnecessary upgrades to almost every athletic facility on campus. The coaches make mllions of dollars. The money's there, should the universities find attracting top athletes is worth it.

Also, would some smaller schools just eliminate some sports all together so they wouldn't have to pay a stipend to low revenue producing sports?
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Some schools would decide that football's not worth it. Other schools would double down and play players a nice salary.

Most of the people who post on this board think they believe in some flavor of free-market capitalism. I'm not sure why that's supposed to work in every walk of life except college athletics.
 
#96
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As a dad of a 17 year old who is being recruited by D1, D2 & even D3 schools (not football but non-revenue producing sport the answer has to be no.

It is the same argument yes, being that these kids come out of college with no student loans to pay off. That amount ranges from 50,000 to 75,000 or higher depending on the level. That doesn't include interest.

Now...should the NCAA allow these kids to work p/t job, yes! They should have some type of spending money. But the response to that I've heard is that kids at the D1 level don't have the time with the demands placed on them

No easy answer for sure, but No is mine.
 
#97
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I can't imagine the effect on recruiting paying student-athletes would have. Expect those at the top to stay at the top....forever. And for many, if not most schools, paying student-athletes would be a tremendous financial strain.
 
#98
#98
Hell yes. The payment should reflect the actual yearly estimated attendance cost. Clothing and transportation included. IMHO
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Some schools would decide that football's not worth it. Other schools would double down and play players a nice salary.
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I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I don't think most athletic departments run profits or run enough of a profit capable of paying all their athletes. It won't just be football player's being paid.
 
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