Shouldn’t the special teams coach be getting criticized?

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During the UTSA game he played a young man who obviously didn’t know the rules relating to a blocked punt.

In the Alabama, he played another one who didn’t know the fair catch rules and sent 2 returners out for a kickoff, one expecting to fair catch the ball (Williams) while the other was going to return it. It’s clear everyone wasn’t on the same page.

That was a big play in the game and was totally uncalled for, tacky call or not.
 
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Toucan Sam said:
How is it considered a fair catch if a player in the front calls for it? I don't understand.
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Listening to Gerald Hodges , a former sec official, this morning on the radio, it's called no matter who simulates a fair catch. Up men, returners, doesn't matter. It's called because it causes confusion among the kick off team whether or not a fair catch has been called. The play is called dead where the ball was caught. He did confirm it was not Dee Williams and that it was an up man
 
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Special teams have made a history of getting beat on fake punts, getting penalties on KO returns, not catching punts and letting them roll for 15-20 yds and even had a personal foul penalty or two. The KO vs Alabama had a huge impact on the game just like not catching a punt last year vs UGA and letting it roll down to the 1 yd line turned the momentum in that one too.

Little things make a difference and the ST coach needs to be paying more attention to detail and quit running up and down the sidelines waving a towel.
 
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Toucan Sam said:
How is it considered a fair catch if a player in the front calls for it? I don't understand.
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It was Bama in Tuscaloosa. That’s the only thing you need to understand. They called whatever was needed to get Bama the win and it was quite a lot this time. The one penalty they called against Bama was to prevent a possible sack fumble. This was the biggest fix I’ve seen from the SEC.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
Listening to Gerald Hodges , a former sec official, this morning on the radio, it's called no matter who simulates a fair catch. Up men, returners, doesn't matter. It's called because it causes confusion among the kick off team whether or not a fair catch has been called. He did confirm it was not Dee Williams and that it was an up man
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Oh ok. I didn't know the rule applied to an up man.
 
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Backwards K said:
Special teams have made a history of getting beat on fake punts, getting penalties on KO returns, not catching punts and letting them roll for 15-20 yds and even had a personal foul penalty or two. The KO vs Alabama had a huge impact on the game just like not catching a punt last year vs UGA and letting it roll down to the 1 yd line turned the momentum in that one too.

Little things make a difference and the ST coach needs to be paying more attention to detail and quit running up and down the sidelines waving a towel.
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Just to be clear we were good with the towel waving when we downed the punt at the 1 vs A&M and then scored on the punt return?
 
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Toucan Sam said:
Oh ok. I didn't know the rule applied to an up man.
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He also clarified the "clap" call on defense. He started it was a point of emphasis, on page one, to make that call to keep defensive teams from simulating snap count and that TN had the call go in their favor a couple of times this year.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Just to be clear we were good with the towel waving when we downed the punt at the 1 vs A&M and then scored on the punt return?
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Isn't that the expectation of special teams? To make great plays with great players? They have done that but there are more boneheaded plays being made and these types of plays made a huge difference in two of the biggest games of the past two seasons. Pay attention to all of the details, be consistent.
 
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Backwards K said:
Isn't that the expectation of special teams? To make great plays with great players? They have done that but there are more boneheaded plays being made and these types of plays made a huge difference in two of the biggest games of the past two seasons. Pay attention to all of the details.
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So perfection is the demand?
 
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deezvols said:
Even if the upman called the fair catch, shouldn’t the ball be placed at the 25?
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From what I understand because the runner tried to advance the ball, it was dead where he caught it. If he had known there was a fair catch and not tried to advance it we would have gotten the ball at the 25 yard line.
 
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Snapper58 said:
From what I understand because the runner tried to advance the ball, it was dead where he caught it. If he had known there was a fair catch and not tried to advance it we would have gotten the ball at the 25 yard line.
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Weird. People keep running after the whistle all the time, heck we had 6 bama players gang tackle him on the return.

Sounds like the rule was technically broken, but not the spirit of the rule as the returner had no idea a “fair catch” was signaled.
 
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wmcovol said:
During the UTSA game he played a young man who obviously didn’t know the rules relating to a blocked punt.

In the Alabama, he played another one who didn’t know the fair catch rules and sent 2 returners out for a kickoff, one expecting to fair catch the ball (Williams) while the other was going to return it. It’s clear everyone wasn’t on the same page.

That was a big play in the game and was totally uncalled for, tacky call or not.
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That one person would be our freshman RB. Also, hard to criticize the special teams coach when our special teams is one of the best units in the country.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
He also clarified the "clap" call on defense. He started it was a point of emphasis, on page one, to make that call to keep defensive teams from simulating snap count and that TN had the call go in their favor a couple of times this year.
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Yeah . . . I don't think anybody was intending to simulate the snap count, but at this point we've seen that call enough that there's no excuse no matter how goofy it seems..
 
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GordonC said:
FTR Danielson is a tool, but he said on the live broadcast an up man had to do it bc Dee or CS didn't.
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Gary is just parroting whatever a producer says in his ear. It's gotten more and more obvious as he's gotten older. No way he knows who is getting flagged unless a spotter is telling him.
 
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The fair catch call and the delay of game call can both be justified technically, so naturally, nothing will ever be addressed. I guess we might as well let it go. The same with the interference on Jeudy-Lally. The fact is, one or more of the refs started looking for ticky-tack calls they could make on Tennessee to swing or maintain the momentum for Alabama. Not much more could be said to make me think differently, so I guess I'll just move on. Maybe someday the tables will turn more to our favor, but I don't count on it in my lifetime.
 
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