Shouldn’t the special teams coach be getting criticized?

#51
#51
hog88 said:
Was the play blown dead as soon as he caught the ball? Nobody has been able to answer that question yet.
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Heard it was blown dead right away. No idea if it was true or not. Probably was though. Soon as they seen the up man do that again they knew they were going to screw Tennessee. Supposedly the same player did it earlier although I haven’t watched it myself; if he did and they didn’t flag it then it was bc the kick went through the endzone. They threw the flag at the proper time to institute maximum effect on the game and field position.
 
#52
#52
utvolpj said:
There was nothing wrong with the kick return. Bogus call that gets worse when it was clarified as the up man
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yeah, obviously it wasn't a fair catch call. i think the player was point where the ball was kicked. completed BS call. i bet if you reviewed the 2023 kick offs, you see would other teams did this.
 
#54
#54
Snapper58 said:
From what I understand because the runner tried to advance the ball, it was dead where he caught it. If he had known there was a fair catch and not tried to advance it we would have gotten the ball at the 25 yard line.
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Nope. It’s b/c the person making the fair catch signal was not the person who caught the ball. The rule was put it place to stop teams from putting in 2 returners, having one give a fair catch signal to slow the gunners down, while the other returner catches it and attempts a return. Since the kicking team has their back to the ball they don’t know which side of the field the kick is going to or which returner will catch it.

It’s a good rule when applied correctly(which it wasn’t in our game), kinda like the QB slide kills the play the instant the QB starts to slide so there can’t be a fake QB slide or a defender that thinks the QB is taking a slide so he drills him. Before this rule was in place there was a college game where one returner signaled a fair catch while the other caught it and got a big return. Later in that game the same situation came up with 2 returners. This time the gunners saw the fair catch and just drilled the other returner, even tho the returner giving the fair catch actually caught the ball so not a fake.
 
#55
#55
Coach Ekler gets a pass and a lot of leeway in my book.
He's done some really, really good things with the ST units - both kicking and returning units.

Special Teams play was a direct reason we beat aTm - granted the defense held them to a three and out, but take away that downed punt at the one and the ensuing return for a TD and that aTm game is a different story.
 
#56
#56
wmcovol said:
During the UTSA game he played a young man who obviously didn’t know the rules relating to a blocked punt.

In the Alabama, he played another one who didn’t know the fair catch rules and sent 2 returners out for a kickoff, one expecting to fair catch the ball (Williams) while the other was going to return it. It’s clear everyone wasn’t on the same page.

That was a big play in the game and was totally uncalled for, tacky call or not.
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coaching staff did not understand the rules either... still confused about what happened.
 
#58
#58
LWSVOL said:
coaching staff did not understand the rules either... still confused about what happened.
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Well, that’s not good. Someone of the staff of analysts should be a rules expert.

That still doesn’t explain kids on punt block not knowing when they should not touch the ball or 2 returners being on different pages.
 
#59
#59
Strickland said:
To clarify, it was not the return men who called for the fair catch. It was someone in the front.

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He’s pointing up and his finger went above his shoulder pad, which wasn’t an intended fair catch I think he was trying to “fake out” the opponent get them to run opposite direction the ball was going… I’ll timed mistake…
 
#60
#60
GAVol said:
Gary is just parroting whatever a producer says in his ear. It's gotten more and more obvious as he's gotten older. No way he knows who is getting flagged unless a spotter is telling him.
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He don’t even know who’s playing… idiot actually used the names Kamal Harris & Joe Milroe… but he’d have Saban’s baby in a heart beat…
 
#64
#64
wmcovol said:
During the UTSA game he played a young man who obviously didn’t know the rules relating to a blocked punt.

In the Alabama, he played another one who didn’t know the fair catch rules and sent 2 returners out for a kickoff, one expecting to fair catch the ball (Williams) while the other was going to return it. It’s clear everyone wasn’t on the same page.

That was a big play in the game and was totally uncalled for, tacky call or not.
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One returning encouraging the other to not return a ball is very common. Pretending this is somehow a sign of poor special teams coaching is ignorant
 
#66
#66
dalton_vol said:
is that a fair catch signal though? i bet there are plenty of players who's raised an arm indiscriminately and the play not blown dead. any ref with common sense or no bias would not call this.
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Unfortunately, the rule says arm above the shoulders, so as defined by that rule, it is a fair catch signal.
 
#69
#69
TJSVOLS said:
If the play was blown dead that’s usually what happens, didn’t know you needed that explained. You would have to be truly clueless to not see what was happening the whole game.
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If. you think the penalty was bogus, you do not understand the rule. I know it is seldom. in fact I have never seen it in my 80 years of watching playing football, but the call was legit. according to the rule. I also believe the refs were extremely bias on their calls, but that one did follow the rule.
 
#70
#70
There are a lot of coaches and players who can/should be criticized for their actions in the second half of that game.
 
#71
#71
Vol8188 said:
One returning encouraging the other to not return a ball is very common. Pretending this is somehow a sign of poor special teams coaching is ignorant
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Ok. But you didn’t address the pointing of the ball or the lack of knowledge by the players what to do in the case of a blocked punt that passes the LOS. Both are signs of poor coaching.
 
#72
#72
wmcovol said:
Ok. But you didn’t address the pointing of the ball or the lack of knowledge by the players what to do in the case of a blocked punt that passes the LOS. Both are signs of poor coaching.
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It’s not. The pointing to the ball is something you’ll never see in a game again and it’s not because other teams are telling their front line not to.
 
#73
#73
VOLINVONORE said:
If. you think the penalty was bogus, you do not understand the rule. I know it is seldom. in fact I have never seen it in my 80 years of watching playing football, but the call was legit. according to the rule. I also believe the refs were extremely bias on their calls, but that one did follow the rule.
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Ok…
 
#75
#75
wmcovol said:
Ok. But you didn’t address the pointing of the ball or the lack of knowledge by the players what to do in the case of a blocked punt that passes the LOS. Both are signs of poor coaching.
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I’m sure the whole bench was yelling “Peter” as soon as the ball passed the LOS.
 
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