Shouldn’t the special teams coach be getting criticized?

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Backwards K said:
Isn't that the expectation of special teams? To make great plays with great players? They have done that but there are more boneheaded plays being made and these types of plays made a huge difference in two of the biggest games of the past two seasons. Pay attention to all of the details, be consistent.
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You do realize special teams won the A&M game for us, right? You think bc the guy is out there waving a towel he isn’t paying attn to detail?
 
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DonDiego said:
The fair catch call and the delay of game call can both be justified technically, so naturally, nothing will ever be addressed. I guess we might as well let it go. The same with the interference on Jeudy-Lally. The fact is, one or more of the refs started looking for ticky-tack calls they could make on Tennessee to swing or maintain the momentum for Alabama. Not much more could be said to make me think differently, so I guess I'll just move on. Maybe someday the tables will turn more to our favor, but I don't count on it in my lifetime.
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Exactly. Just hope the team and staff aren't focused on something you're not going to change and isn't within our control. Focus on what's ahead and that's UK. Folks keep saying that team has quit on Stoops. Anyone really believe that? Nah, it smacks of folks saying that Notre Dame couldn't score a run on our "best team in history" baseball team 2 years ago. And who called UVA beating undefeated UNC last week? Man, I really hope I'm wrong about this coming Saturday.
 
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So if anyone can call fair catch what if the kicking team who is focused on the return man tackles said returner after a catch though an up man called the fair catch. Is this then kick catch interference?
 
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DonDiego said:
The fair catch call and the delay of game call can both be justified technically, so naturally, nothing will ever be addressed. I guess we might as well let it go. The same with the interference on Jeudy-Lally. The fact is, one or more of the refs started looking for ticky-tack calls they could make on Tennessee to swing or maintain the momentum for Alabama. Not much more could be said to make me think differently, so I guess I'll just move on. Maybe someday the tables will turn more to our favor, but I don't count on it in my lifetime.
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Bama did the same thing on defense multiple times. It was never called on them. Was called on us bc they needed a first down at that time. They can explain it away if they want but it was so egregiously sided to Bama that anyone with two eyes and a brain could see Tennessee was going to have to beat the refs as well as Bama.
 
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Snapper58 said:
From what I understand because the runner tried to advance the ball, it was dead where he caught it. If he had known there was a fair catch and not tried to advance it we would have gotten the ball at the 25 yard line.
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Maybe because there was not an actual fair catch called. They chose that particular play to acknowledge it. The same player had done similar on the opening kickoff.
 
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deezvols said:
Weird. People keep running after the whistle all the time, heck we had 6 bama players gang tackle him on the return.

Sounds like the rule was technically broken, but not the spirit of the rule as the returner had no idea a “fair catch” was signaled.
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Was the play blown dead as soon as he caught the ball? Nobody has been able to answer that question yet.
 
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wmcovol said:
During the UTSA game he played a young man who obviously didn’t know the rules relating to a blocked punt.

In the Alabama, he played another one who didn’t know the fair catch rules and sent 2 returners out for a kickoff, one expecting to fair catch the ball (Williams) while the other was going to return it. It’s clear everyone wasn’t on the same page.

That was a big play in the game and was totally uncalled for, tacky call or not.
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In the grand scheme of the challenges we have I don’t think ST is high on the list. A punt return for a TD helped win us the A&M game. Our FG kicker has been rock solid from inside 50 yards this year. And our punter set the UT single game record for yards per punt against Bama. Ekeler is doing a solid job.
 
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What I'm not understanding is I thought if you fair catch it automatically goes to the 25?
 
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Toucan Sam said:
How is it considered a fair catch if a player in the front calls for it? I don't understand.
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any player can call it, consider an onside kick and the ball is pooched into the air around ten yards. It would be the up men who would be handling it. I understand the rule, hard to consider the picture shown as a fair catch though. looks kinda like he's just following the ball (pointing at it) . Elbow is parallel to the ground. Doesnt look like a fair catch signal in the least.
 
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Backwards K said:
Special teams have made a history of getting beat on fake punts, getting penalties on KO returns, not catching punts and letting them roll for 15-20 yds and even had a personal foul penalty or two. The KO vs Alabama had a huge impact on the game just like not catching a punt last year vs UGA and letting it roll down to the 1 yd line turned the momentum in that one too.

Little things make a difference and the ST coach needs to be paying more attention to detail and quit running up and down the sidelines waving a towel.
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Bama returner did it at least twice in the game as well, with Satan giving him the business when he came to the sidelines.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
He also clarified the "clap" call on defense. He started it was a point of emphasis, on page one, to make that call to keep defensive teams from simulating snap count and that TN had the call go in their favor a couple of times this year.
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I have seen this call a couple times this year. This rule needs to be modified or scrapped all together.
 
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DonDiego said:
The fair catch call and the delay of game call can both be justified technically, so naturally, nothing will ever be addressed. I guess we might as well let it go. The same with the interference on Jeudy-Lally. The fact is, one or more of the refs started looking for ticky-tack calls they could make on Tennessee to swing or maintain the momentum for Alabama. Not much more could be said to make me think differently, so I guess I'll just move on. Maybe someday the tables will turn more to our favor, but I don't count on it in my lifetime.
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No the fair catch cannot.
 
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All of the special teams coaches have been exsanguinated due to the failures they have recently made. The procedure was not fatal. As they were being relieved of their dirty, nasty filthy crimson colored blood they were re-invigorated with Pantone 5150 Orange blood. All is well in Tennessee. Go Big Orange and whip Kentucky Assss.
 
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It was ref biased. The call was not a valid fair catch signal. The player did point but the rules clearly state that one hand has to be raised above their head and waived side to side more than once to signal a fair catch. This is the rule because you can raise a hand above your head to block the sun. Our player did not wave his hand above his head from all the views I seen.
 
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MegaVol615 said:
In the grand scheme of the challenges we have I don’t think ST is high on the list. A punt return for a TD helped win us the A&M game. Our FG kicker has been rock solid from inside 50 yards this year. And our punter set the UT single game record for yards per punt against Bama. Ekeler is doing a solid job.
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Those are talent issues. He’s not coaching kickers how to kick. My concern is he’s playing guys in situations that they obviously don’t know the rules (when to return a blocked punt, when to signal a fair catch, returners with two different ideas about returning kicks). That IS coaching.

I’ll bet someone on Alabama’s staff of 1000 analysts saw Telander in previous games point to the ball and they tipped the officials off pregame to look for it. Credit them & shame on our staff of not correcting it during self scouting in the bye week.
 
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wmcovol said:
During the UTSA game he played a young man who obviously didn’t know the rules relating to a blocked punt.

In the Alabama, he played another one who didn’t know the fair catch rules and sent 2 returners out for a kickoff, one expecting to fair catch the ball (Williams) while the other was going to return it. It’s clear everyone wasn’t on the same page.

That was a big play in the game and was totally uncalled for, tacky call or not.
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Ekeler is one of the better coaches on the staff. He was criticized early in the season because his unit wasn’t performing up to expectations. The special teams have been excellent the last few weeks.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Ekeler is one of the better coaches on the staff. He was criticized early in the season because his unit wasn’t performing up to expectations. The special teams have been excellent the last few weeks.
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Then don’t complain about the fair catch fiasco. He had 2 freshman out there, neither knew what to do correctly resulting in the ball at the 4 yd line. Obviously your definition of excellent & mine are different
 
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deezvols said:
Weird. People keep running after the whistle all the time, heck we had 6 bama players gang tackle him on the return.

Sounds like the rule was technically broken, but not the spirit of the rule as the returner had no idea a “fair catch” was signaled.
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Exactly. Why didn't they blow the whistle on the catch if it was a fair catch?
 
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wmcovol said:
Then don’t complain about the fair catch fiasco. He had 2 freshman out there, neither knew what to do correctly resulting in the ball at the 4 yd line. Obviously your definition of excellent & mine are different
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Where did I complain about the fair catch “fiasco”? Plus the national rankings show how excellent the special teams have been.

Tied for 3rd in block kicks
18th in net punting
Tied for 2nd in punt return defense
8th in punt return average
11-13 on field goals

Only room for improvement is kick return defense.
 
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