Since gas prices are dropping...

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So I guess the Saudis didn't increase production and lower the price of oil before Bush's 2004 election either huh?
 
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The real conclusion of this thread is that:

OWB and CSpin should never ever ever become day traders...:p
 
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volinbham said:
The real conclusion of this thread is that:

OWB and CSpin should never ever ever become day traders...:p
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Probably, but still..

Bush's approval ratings go with the price of gas. Since the prices have come down some, his rating has gone up 5%. You don't think Rove and the Republicans understand this?

Oh, and answer my question, did the Saudis not influence the price of oil before the 2004 elections to benefit Bush and the Republicans?
 
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Silly Liberal.................

It would be any president...........................

The Saudis do not care who is in power..............we have an "understanding" with them, remember..................
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
The Saudis do not care who is in power..............we have an "understanding" with them, remember..................
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Are you talking about the understanding where their citizens can attack our country and we'll go after Saddam? Or is it something else?
 
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Well....actually that too......

I was referring to the one where we supply every thing and build their old refineries and then they charge us for the oil.

In return we keep them in power politically and militarily.
 
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I am amazed anyone is this concerned about gas prices. If you don't like them, make more money or get rid of your car or find a better solution. People act like they are forced to consume as much gas as they do.
 
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I am amazed anyone is this concerned about gas prices. If you don't like them, make more money or get rid of your car or find a better solution. People act like they are forced to consume as much gas as they do.
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I smell a Libertarian!
 
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OWB said:
Probably, but still..

Bush's approval ratings go with the price of gas. Since the prices have come down some, his rating has gone up 5%. You don't think Rove and the Republicans understand this?

Oh, and answer my question, did the Saudis not influence the price of oil before the 2004 elections to benefit Bush and the Republicans?
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Understanding the impact of gas prices on approval ratings (which I think is overblown here - it removes an irritant but I doubt many W supporters attribute the fall to W) and causing the fall are two very different things.

As violence goes up in Iraq, his approval ratings go down. Don't you think Dean understands that? Therefore, the DNC is funding insurgents in Iraq to influence the midterm elections...

You haven't answered my question about how they are manipulating gas prices. Show me.

As for the Saudi's dropping oil prices - I not familiar with the particulars. Again show me the story then I can answer you. (please don't link to a blog version either :good!: ).
 
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volinbham said:
Understanding the impact of gas prices on approval ratings (which I think is overblown here - it removes an irritant but I doubt many W supporters attribute the fall to W) and causing the fall are two very different things.
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The price of gas is a reminder to the American public of the failure of Bush's domestic and foreign policies. Nobody cares about the price of a barrel of oil unless it causes higher gas and energy prices. That's when it starts hitting Americans in the wallets, and most Americans vote with their wallets. Most Americans also blame the gas problems on the government fair or unfair, right or wrong..

Most Americans relate Iraq to higher gas prices and might be persuaded to either vote differently in midterms or not vote at all.
 

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allvol123 said:
I am amazed anyone is this concerned about gas prices. If you don't like them, make more money or get rid of your car or find a better solution. People act like they are forced to consume as much gas as they do.
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Once again, you totally miss the point. That's becoming a habit with you. Or maybe you just don't know any other way. Oh well..
 
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OWB said:
The price of gas is a reminder to the American public of the failure of Bush's domestic and foreign policies. Nobody cares about the price of a barrel of oil unless it causes higher gas and energy prices. That's when it starts hitting Americans in the wallets, and most Americans vote with their wallets. Most Americans also blame the gas problems on the government fair or unfair, right or wrong..

Most Americans relate Iraq to higher gas prices and might be persuaded to either vote differently in midterms or not vote at all.
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There is certainly a connection between the price of gas and approval ratings but I doubt it's 1:1. He's gotten a boost too from the Sept. 11 rememberance and some from the thwarted terrorist plot. My bet is that his numbers will come back down prior to the midterms (barring any other major issues) even if gas prices continue to slide.

All this doesn't answer the real question though --- how is Rove lowering gas prices :question:
 
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volinbham said:
As for the Saudi's dropping oil prices - I not familiar with the particulars. Again show me the story then I can answer you. (please don't link to a blog version either :good!: ).
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This is all you need to see....

 

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OWB said:
Once again, you totally miss the point. That's becoming a habit with you. Or maybe you just don't know any other way. Oh well..
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So explain the point, this conspiracy you have I assume.

Also you said long ago you would never reply to my posts. I guess what you say and what you do are 2 different things. Definetly a habit of yours I am sure.
 
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So oil prices can be driven by potential unrest in Nigeria or public statements by OPEC but not influenced by the upcoming elections and the potential for Congress to change hands to a party that is not friendly with oil companies? That's s stretch.
 
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OWB said:
NVM, just a waste of time
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Your point being that oil prices are being dropped to help Republicans get elected. If the price of oil is how you determine your vote then I would think you are leaning too far left to begin with in terms of voting for a Republican.

Oops there you go again responding to me. You seem to keep tripping over your comment about not replying to me.:)
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So oil prices can be driven by potential unrest in Nigeria or public statements by OPEC but not influenced by the upcoming elections and the potential for Congress to change hands to a party that is not friendly with oil companies? That's s stretch.
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The "stretch" is imagining things are happening to support your conspiracy theories. You still haven't explained the mechanism by which oil companies (supposedly afraid of Democrats) are manipulating price in a meaningful way. Nor does it explain the drop in oil prices which is for the most part out of their hands.

The "trader" element is driven by CHANGE in oil prices. The trading community profits of off change not absolute prices. They can make money on the down trend just like on the up trend.

Find a credible economic analysis that shows the upcoming elections play a significant role in the price of oil or gasoline and I'll listen. Otherwise, my theory that the DNC is funding insurgency in Iraq is just as valid.
 
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I see where Chavez is in Harlem, promoting discounted heating oil for low income families. That damn Chavez is trying to get these damn low incomers to vote Republican, I just know it, with his discounted oil prices.
 
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volinbham said:
The "stretch" is imagining things are happening to support your conspiracy theories. You still haven't explained the mechanism by which oil companies (supposedly afraid of Democrats) are manipulating price in a meaningful way. Nor does it explain the drop in oil prices which is for the most part out of their hands.

The "trader" element is driven by CHANGE in oil prices. The trading community profits of off change not absolute prices. They can make money on the down trend just like on the up trend.

Find a credible economic analysis that shows the upcoming elections play a significant role in the price of oil or gasoline and I'll listen. Otherwise, my theory that the DNC is funding insurgency in Iraq is just as valid.
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Sometimes it only takes a little common sense. While I doubt that anyone on here could provide real proof that Oil companies, traders, secretaries, mailroom workers etc etc are manipulating prices for election results, nobody can provide serious proof that they aren't either.

Do you really think that there would be a lot of proof when it comes to something like this?
 
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