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TXA&M07

TXA&M07

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I'll go ahead and create my first thread in this sadly necessary sub-forum.

I'm all for the impending rise of Tennessee Football and can certainly agree that the NCAA is better when Tennessee is relevant. Your passionate fan base, along with your storied program is a huge asset to all of College Football.

Money and coaches has evolved in to an indestructible monster that cannot be controlled, and sparsely contained. You will have your "big names" calling their shots, making demands that are seemingly impossible to be justified. The end result? You want a National Championship.

So you're left with the same dismal predicament that any high stakes poker player faces while at the Hold em table. "All in"? Just wait for the flop? The river? When do you push the chips forward and say, this is it? 10 mil has been a figure thrown around for Gruden. I dont know the validity of that and dont care to know honestly. At this point, I'd be willing to bet a ton of this is speculation, thus the creation of the sub forum.

What I do know is this. Passion aside, gambling 10 mil is a giant task to ask any AD at any school. And lets not be mistaken, that's what this is. Its gambling.

I watched this fan base turn on Fulmer, burn furniture for Kiffin, and wear bags for Dooley, and I'm left with the notion that if you get what you're hoping for, eventually, you'll have a similar reaction to "whoever takes it". That being said, can you live with the 10 mil debt on top of a few above .500 seasons until the ship gets turned around? Or will you remind everyone after every loss, because there will be losses, that "we are paying wayyyyy too much for these results" ?

A tracking device for those who claim $ is no object to them would be pretty interesting to see after the cards are finally laid on the table.

I wish you luck. I hope they get the right guy. The stage is set for the next act in this play, but that script is going to be tough to work through.

As for my suggestions, well, they were not well recieved around here so I'll just leave it at that. If Gruden is your guy, I hope you get your wish. I'm not against it, but I am against these candidates becoming demi-Gods and holding schools hostage.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I'll go ahead and create my first thread in this sadly necessary sub-forum.

I'm all for the impending rise of Tennessee Football and can certainly agree that the NCAA is better when Tennessee is relevant. Your passionate fan base, along with your storied program is a huge asset to all of College Football.

Money and coaches has evolved in to an indestructible monster that cannot be controlled, and sparsely contained. You will have your "big names" calling their shots, making demands that are seemingly impossible to be justified. The end result? You want a National Championship.

So you're left with the same dismal predicament that any high stakes poker player faces while at the Hold em table. "All in"? Just wait for the flop? The river? When do you push the chips forward and say, this is it? 10 mil has been a figure thrown around for Gruden. I dont know the validity of that and dont care to know honestly. At this point, I'd be willing to bet a ton of this is speculation, thus the creation of the sub forum.

What I do know is this. Passion aside, gambling 10 mil is a giant task to ask any AD at any school. And lets not be mistaken, that's what this is. Its gambling.

I watched this fan base turn on Fulmer, burn furniture for Kiffin, and wear bags for Dooley, and I'm left with the notion that if you get what you're hoping for, eventually, you'll have a similar reaction to "whoever takes it". That being said, can you live with the 10 mil debt on top of a few above .500 seasons until the ship gets turned around? Or will you remind everyone after every loss, because there will be losses, that "we are paying wayyyyy too much for these results" ?

A tracking device for those who claim $ is no object to them would be pretty interesting to see after the cards are finally laid on the table.

I wish you luck. I hope they get the right guy. The stage is set for the next act in this play, but that script is going to be tough to work through.

As for my suggestions, well, they were not well recieved around here so I'll just leave it at that. If Gruden is your guy, I hope you get your wish. I'm not against it, but I am against these candidates becoming demi-Gods and holding schools hostage.
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I know, 07. Tough situation with tougher choices. Asking (and getting) salaries are past ridiculous. Impossible to determine an ROI on unknown factors.
 
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thanks for your concern.

i forwarded this to dave hart letting him know he can stop the search and start bargain hunting to please an a&m fan
 
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TXA&M07 said:
As for my suggestions, well, they were not well recieved around here so I'll just leave it at that. If Gruden is your guy, I hope you get your wish. I'm not against it, but I am against these candidates becoming demi-Gods and holding schools hostage.
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Good post aggie, but I'm not sure where "holding schools hostage" comes from. Pretty certain every thing that's been said about this possible hire has all been speculation. Meaning anyone who thinks Gurden is playing an Arky offer against UT is basing that on a bunch of myth. 90k posts for one guy, yeah, I can see where the demi-God comment comes from.
 
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People don't get the gravity of the situation. It's almost like people think we can just up and hire him when we want.
 
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a good coach easily pays for their salary. In this case the AD is not really gambling with UT's money anyway

UT lost over $5 million this season in just empty seats
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I'll go ahead and create my first thread in this sadly necessary sub-forum.

I'm all for the impending rise of Tennessee Football and can certainly agree that the NCAA is better when Tennessee is relevant. Your passionate fan base, along with your storied program is a huge asset to all of College Football.

Money and coaches has evolved in to an indestructible monster that cannot be controlled, and sparsely contained. You will have your "big names" calling their shots, making demands that are seemingly impossible to be justified. The end result? You want a National Championship.

So you're left with the same dismal predicament that any high stakes poker player faces while at the Hold em table. "All in"? Just wait for the flop? The river? When do you push the chips forward and say, this is it? 10 mil has been a figure thrown around for Gruden. I dont know the validity of that and dont care to know honestly. At this point, I'd be willing to bet a ton of this is speculation, thus the creation of the sub forum.

What I do know is this. Passion aside, gambling 10 mil is a giant task to ask any AD at any school. And lets not be mistaken, that's what this is. Its gambling.

I watched this fan base turn on Fulmer, burn furniture for Kiffin, and wear bags for Dooley, and I'm left with the notion that if you get what you're hoping for, eventually, you'll have a similar reaction to "whoever takes it". That being said, can you live with the 10 mil debt on top of a few above .500 seasons until the ship gets turned around? Or will you remind everyone after every loss, because there will be losses, that "we are paying wayyyyy too much for these results" ?

A tracking device for those who claim $ is no object to them would be pretty interesting to see after the cards are finally laid on the table.

I wish you luck. I hope they get the right guy. The stage is set for the next act in this play, but that script is going to be tough to work through.

As for my suggestions, well, they were not well recieved around here so I'll just leave it at that. If Gruden is your guy, I hope you get your wish. I'm not against it, but I am against these candidates becoming demi-Gods and holding schools hostage.
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For those of you who think I'm way of base, just keep this in mind: the lawyer that sucked, just walked off campus with more money owed to him than many of us will ever make in our lifetime.

ROI, as Slydell and I are astute to obviously, is a slippery slope. Like I said, good luck.
 
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I would be very happy and satisfied if we at least have a winning season next year and that we are somewhere in the picture for the SEC East...........it will all depend on who stays next year from this squad and if we can add any talent to the secondary. People who dont temper their expectations for next year or even year two with Gruden or really anyone we hire, is asking to be disappointed. The difference with Dooley is that you saw no progression at all and actually seemed to regress.
 
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Personally, I think you have a point. The fan base will turn on the next guy if he does the same thing Dooley done after three years, no matter who it is. On the other hand, I hope the University doesn't "go all in" for whoever it is , cause if it doesn't work were screwed.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
For those of you who think I'm way of base, just keep this in mind: the lawyer that sucked, just walked off campus with more money owed to him than many of us will ever make in our lifetime.

ROI, as Slydell and are astute to obviously, is a slippery slope. Like I said, good luck.
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it cost you guys money to make the move to the SEC, didnt you warn your admin ?
 
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I believe that deal has worked out considerably well both on and off the field of play for us. Apples and Oranges bud.
 
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right, but wasnt it a gamble paying the big-12 buyout? you havent won anything yet, you could still be the doormat of the SEC west for years to come - who knows, there is no certainty you say....right?
 
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Loftin said at the time "The issue is looking at the long-term and any short-term costs must be weighed against long-term costs and benefits."

and aggie fans accepted it, but aggie fans cant accept the vols spending money to get the best?
 
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ochocinco said:
right, but wasnt it a gamble paying the big-12 buyout? you havent won anything yet, you could still be the doormat of the SEC west for years to come - who knows, there is no certainty you say....right?
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If Ole johnny football is there, they won't be
 
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I see what you're saying Capt, but we've been down the "value coach" road a few times lately. Personally, I think we have to bring in a proven winner considering the hole TN is in right now. The competition in the SEC is stiff and TN needs to be in the mix as you mention.

I continued to support dooley until the State loss - that's when I realized he couldn't get the job done at UT. Further games only made me fell better about my decision. Point is, most of us are understanding and willing to wait if we get a leader/winner who can get us there. Good day...
 
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I'm not going to allow this to turn in to a "me defending aTm's move to the SEC West and the success of this season" thread. If you want that type of pissing contest, take it to the NCAA forum and I'll gladly supply you with all you want and more.

I'm a proponent for staying on topic.
 
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