Since many people think it's unamerican to report all you income to the IRS

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norrislakevol said:
Yup. I think this is pretty simple to understand. I always find it so laughable when the left wants to raise taxes on the "rich". Even if they succeed in doing so, the rich....who own businesses...would simply increase their prices to make up the lost revenue. Example: A fast food chain nets a 10 to 20 percent profit every year. Their taxes go up by 15 percent. They gonna just eat that loss and eventually have to close their doors? Nope! they will write it off and/or increase their prices. Congrats, your burger just went up in cost by 15 percent. Absolute geniuses, and more virtue signalling. Look what we did! We made the rich pay their fair share! Hahahahaha! What idiots!
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I'll caveat it with this- that works to a point.

Where my wife and I had our business, people are generally poor (low and falling wages for the region, etc.)- they have very little price flexibility. So the local council keeps increasing taxes on everyone (reducing the money customers have and reducing what we had) so when we try to pass on what we could the customer base couldn't afford it. Essentially, taxes price most small businesses here out of business. The downtown is 3/4 vacant now since the extreme left/majority black/"justice"-focused council took over for the more moderate council.
 
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ButchPlz said:
They won't reach even a tenth of that number. The paygrade and job requirements they've got out for those positions are awful. That's the only positive of this boondoggle.
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I suspect ultimately they will get to a quarter of the 87K. They are using outside consulting firms for expert services a lot more now and those firms aren't cheap....
 
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KB5252 said:
You know who they are going to target? People who make a living off tips......... They always promise to get the big fish but that isn't who they're casting nets for..... The very people screaming support for this the loudest to, "make the rich pay" are going to be the main targets of the IRS once this is unleashed........ But lemmings gonna lemming.
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You are probably right, but why do we pay people to perform jobs they are hired and paid to perform in the first place? I want to go in a restaurant and pay the price on the menu without having to fund someone else's employee - and the same with everything else that seems to require tipping these days. Do it the right way and there isn't a question of hiding income.
 
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AM64 said:
You are probably right, but why do we pay people to perform jobs they are hired and paid to perform in the first place? I want to go in a restaurant and pay the price on the menu without having to fund someone else's employee - and the same with everything else that seems to require tipping these days. Do it the right way and there isn't a question of hiding income.
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No arguments from me.
 
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AM64 said:
You are probably right, but why do we pay people to perform jobs they are hired and paid to perform in the first place? I want to go in a restaurant and pay the price on the menu without having to fund someone else's employee - and the same with everything else that seems to require tipping these days. Do it the right way and there isn't a question of hiding income.
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So let me get this straight... you are/were US military, right?

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So let me get this straight... you are/were US military, right?

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Yeah, and I tip generously because it's expected, but I've worked in several jobs more important than having a meal delivered in a restaurant or getting to the right place in a cab all without being tipped. I'd say that goes for most people, so why do we play the extortion game and pay people for doing their job? That was something very nice about my time in Japan. People do the job - generally far better than you see around here, and they don't have a hand out for a tip. Tipping isn't expected and culturally not acceptable. Anyway tipping is not what this thread is about, so there's my opinion. End of story like it or lump it.
 
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AM64 said:
Yeah, and I tip generously because it's expected, but I've worked in several jobs more important than having a meal delivered in a restaurant or getting to the right place in a cab all without being tipped. I'd say that goes for most people, so why do we play the extortion game and pay people for doing their job? That was something very nice about my time in Japan. People do the job - generally far better than you see around here, and they don't have a hand out for a tip. Tipping isn't expected and culturally not acceptable. Anyway tipping is not what this thread is about, so there's my opinion. End of story like it or lump it.
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Most of them are not paid minimum wage. Let's start there.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Most of them are not paid minimum wage. Let's start there.
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You and I discussed this last year. An actual base wage is becoming more commonplace, as is having your tips taxed.

At my bar, I pay my bartenders 9/hour plus tips. Their credit tips and hourly wage are taxed on a check. They were apprehensive when I initially made that change, but then I told them they wouldn't owe thousands of dollars come April.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Most of them are not paid minimum wage. Let's start there.
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So why are they exempted from making minimum wage? If there's a minimum wage, there's a minimum wage ... or there isn't. No one should be expected to pay someone else's labor cost because somehow a group of people are exempted from making the minimum wage because people supplement their income ... it's an absurd circular argument.
 
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AM64 said:
So why are they exempted from making minimum wage? If there's a minimum wage, there's a minimum wage ... or there isn't. No one should be expected to pay someone else's labor cost because somehow a group of people are exempted from making the minimum wage because people supplement their income ... it's an absurd circular argument.
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Actually, sir, this all falls on the business owners.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Actually, sir, this all falls on the business owners.
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That's why my remark about subsidizing someone else's employees. Tips are expected, but a tip is supposedly a gratuity paid for more exceptional service. You'd expect only half of service to rate "above average", so you'd expect that only half at best would rate better than average, but tips are expected across the board. It's a viewpoint, and I may be in the minority. And I fully understand that some establishments (very possibly yours, for example) will go the extra step to ensure better servers and better service which would skew the expectations curve.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You and I discussed this last year. An actual base wage is becoming more commonplace, as is having your tips taxed.

At my bar, I pay my bartenders 9/hour plus tips. Their credit tips and hourly wage are taxed on a check. They were apprehensive when I initially made that change, but then I told them they wouldn't owe thousands of dollars come April.
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I will have to admit that I was mistaken about this particular subject... especially after I saw the desperation and pay these restaurants were willing to throw out after March 2020. I worked in restaurants in the mid to late 1990s, so I had a surface level understanding of how this worked. But it turned out to be a worse situation than I thought.

I apologize.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I will have to admit that I was mistaken about this particular subject... especially after I saw the desperation and pay these restaurants were willing to throw out after March 2020. I worked in restaurants in the mid to late 1990s, so I had a surface level understanding of how this worked. But it turned out to be a worse situation than I thought.

I apologize.
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No apology necessary.

The game has certainly seen most of its changes in the past two years
 
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I think it's awesome that we taxpayers get to fund bottomless pay and benefits to all those new agents that are only here to help us get our heads unstuck from under the fence like the cow on page 1. How can any of you not see that more government employees is a great thing?
 
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New agency . No prior IRS employees may apply. I am sure in this day and age we can come up with something.
 
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