Skyler McBee

[bleedingTNorange]

Think again!
In 8 conference games McBee is 7th in team scoring- Tatum is 6th
Has only 6 TOs.
Is 4th in steals
Has a better A/TO ration than Richardson McRae Hall Stokes and Maymon.

Okay he doesn't rebound, but surprisingly out rebounds richardson.

7th in scoring but what 5th in minutes? also, take away the 10 ft's at the end of games and how far does he drop?FWIW

only has 5 assists though, and is our backup PG, even had a start a PG, for his position not good, especially considering the minutes.

he does get some steals i'll give him that, although IMO he benefit from gathering a loose ball a few times cause by another defender.

i would hope as our back up pg his a:to is better than hall maymon and stokes. richardson is a frosh so i'll give him a pass, but yes mcrae needs to improve.

with that said....

mcbee is 9th on the team in fg%
4th on the team in 3pt %
9th on the team in rebound/game

......

when you look at both their play in sec mcbee and tatum have very comparable numbers:

tatum: 4.8ppg 22%fg 21%3pt 3rpg 1.3a:to
mcbee: 4.6ppg 27%fg 29%3pt 1.6 rpg 0.8a:to

so my question is why does everyone call for tatums head, but many defend mcbee's play? tatum plays better defense than mcbee d. it seems to me they should both be called out, just because mcbee was a walk-on shouldnt spare him, he is playing major minutes for this school, he is just as responsible as the next guy IMO.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I agree with you about Trae being the point, but, with the game on the line I would take McBee shooting the free throws 10 out of 10 times and never look back.

itd depend if mcbee had been out there for a bit then ok. but i dont bring in an ice cold mcbee off the bench whos been sitting for 10 minutes, over golden who has been out there shooting.

JMO

 

[knowthevols]

what wait why? i thought his blistering 28% was irreplaceable?

if you feel tht he wouldnt be playing then quit defending him. he must not be that good of a shooter or defender if even you admit that he wouldnt play if we had another guard. he's not a sec caliber player that is all any of us have said and you continue to want to argue that point and pull out newtons law to prove that 28% deserves PT. he cant defend his own shadow everyone here sees it, sorry it wasnt bad luck that ware scorched him and nobody else, but yet you want to go on rants as to why he's a good defender. the guy is not a sec caliber player, guess what we're a sec team, so on this team and going against the competition he does, he is terrible. his purpose is to do 1 thing and that is hit 3's and yet he cant even do that decently, he brings very little to this team and is more of a liability as proven by his +/-.

Bleed this28.7% in conference play is only one statistic. A person could also pinpoint a statistic on Maymon or Stokes and say with this they should not play. Its not that big a deal. Let it go.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Bleed this28.7% in conference play is only one statistic. A person could also pinpoint a statistic on Maymon or Stokes and say with this they should not play. Its not that big a deal. Let it go.

it tells you what he is shooting. if mcbee is only capable of shooting 3's and cant do it what does he contribute? atleast maymon rebounds if you want to point something out with him. same goes for stokes, they both contribute more to this team, if mcbee isnt shooting from 3 he contributes very little elsewhere.

 

[calban]

so my question is why does everyone call for tatums head, but many defend mcbee's play? tatum plays better defense than mcbee d. it seems to me they should both be called out, just because mcbee was a walk-on shouldnt spare him, he is playing major minutes for this school, he is just as responsible as the next guy IMO.

From what I've read, that hasn't been your question at all.
You've supported your point with emphasis by name calling that McBee adds nothing to the team.

When in fact, with the scarcity of talent that this team possesses, every player that Martin puts on the floor serves some purpose and adds something no matter how minute it may be in your opinion.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

From what I've read, that hasn't been your question at all.
You've supported your point with emphasis by name calling that McBee adds nothing to the team.

When in fact, with the scarcity of talent that this team possesses, every player that Martin puts on the floor serves some purpose and adds something no matter how minute it may be in your opinion.

I've stated and clarified many times I understand why mcbee plays and what ccm is trying to do with him. I've also said at length he has to play him because he has absolutely no other choice. My frustration seeped over and I made comments that e brings nothing to the team, that's not true obviously, everyone brings something. I have tried to step back and reword it and the question I just posed that you you quoted is pretty much how I feel. I like skylar I do, but I also realize that he isn't bringing much to this team when he is shooting 28% from 3. You know enough about basketball to realize that he doesn't bring a whole lot else to the table. As said though, ccm is forced to try and continue to play him and just hope that it clicks for him, same as tatum he has to continue to play him.

How many people on hear yell and scream bench tatum, he should never see the floor again? IMO even in his current state he brings more to this team than mcbee is right now because atleast tatum can guard his man, and has length an rebounds. So why is it not ok for people to vent and say mcbee brings nothing, but it's perfectly fine for people to rant and rave that tatum should never see the court again? Why the different set of rules or these player? If its fair to criticize and complain about one why is it not fair for the other? I see very few people on here defending tatum as compared to mcbee, yet their level of play is almost identical!

 

[Spartacavolus]

nobody fear him anymore, that is why our posts are being doubled and skylar has had 2-3 wide open looks off kickouts a game. 28% 3 pt shooter doesnt scare anybody, especially on the road where he's shooting 18%.

Opposing coaches aren't concerned about leaving skylar open anymore? Well someone should notify them.

And his man isn't leaving to go double on the block. The double is coming from the other post. Coaches are doubling because maymon and Stokes are the biggest offensive threats. It has zero to do with mcbees shooting %. Nothing at all.

 

[calban]

I've stated and clarified many times I understand why mcbee plays and what ccm is trying to do with him. I've also said at length he has to play him because he has absolutely no other choice. My frustration seeped over and I made comments that e brings nothing to the team, that's not true obviously, everyone brings something. I have tried to step back and reword it and the question I just posed that you you quoted is pretty much how I feel. I like skylar I do, but I also realize that he isn't bringing much to this team when he is shooting 28% from 3. You know enough about basketball to realize that he doesn't bring a whole lot else to the table. As said though, ccm is forced to try and continue to play him and just hope that it clicks for him, same as tatum he has to continue to play him.

How many people on hear yell and scream bench tatum, he should never see the floor again? IMO even in his current state he brings more to this team than mcbee is right now because atleast tatum can guard his man, and has length an rebounds. So why is it not ok for people to vent and say mcbee brings nothing, but it's perfectly fine for people to rant and rave that tatum should never see the court again? Why the different set of rules or these player? If its fair to criticize and complain about one why is it not fair for the other? I see very few people on here defending tatum as compared to mcbee, yet their level of play is almost identical!

I actually agree with every thing you say.
I see you've been on the board a year.
Just some advice. Don't get caught up in the heat of battle.
I enjoy reading your posts. Just lay off the name calling and don't ruin a good post.
I've been on here 3 years and have seen some good posters disappear because they got carried away in the fray.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Opposing coaches aren't concerned about leaving skylar open anymore? Well someone should notify them.

And his man isn't leaving to go double on the block. The double is coming from the other post. Coaches are doubling because maymon and Stokes are the biggest offensive threats. It has zero to do with mcbees shooting %. Nothing at all.

No but ball rotation has led to a few open 3's a game. I just rewatched the auburn and Georgia game earlier today, and mcbee had atleast 5 open 3 attempts as a direct result off double teams in the post. It was kicked out and then reversed, and skylar was spotted up for 3.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I actually agree with every thing you say.
I see you've been on the board a year.
Just some advice. Don't get caught up in the heat of battle.
I enjoy reading your posts. Just lay off the name calling and don't ruin a good post.
I've been on here 3 years and have seen some good posters disappear because they got carried away in the fray.

It's my biggest fault I admit and I'm going to try to just let it roll off of me. I appreciate the advice.

And likewise, I really enjoy reading your posts and IMO you are one of the most knowledgable posters that we have on this board.

 

[Spartacavolus]

No but ball rotation has led to a few open 3's a game. I just rewatched the auburn and Georgia game earlier today, and mcbee had atleast 5 open 3 attempts as a direct result off double teams in the post. It was kicked out and then reversed, and skylar was spotted up for 3.

The above is accurate. However, you stated that teams were double teaming down low because skylar doesn't worry them. That's inaccurate.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The above is accurate. However, you stated that teams were double teaming down low because skylar doesn't worry them. That's inaccurate.

In a round about way thats what I meant it just didn't come out right I apologize. What I was meaning is teams are doubling down low( not off skylar) and giving up ball reversal looks to skylar. If skylar scared them tremendously either a. They wouldn't double or b. instead of helping on golden or tatum and leaving skylar they would leave golden or tatum open instead.

JMO

 

[Spartacavolus]

In a round about way thats what I meant it just didn't come out right I apologize. What I was meaning is teams are doubling down low( not off skylar) and giving up ball reversal looks to skylar. If skylar scared them tremendously either a. They wouldn't double or b. instead of helping on golden or tatum and leaving skylar they would leave golden or tatum open instead.

JMO

Only the loftons and the meeks' of the game would make a D consider not rotating to cover the open man.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Only the loftons and the meeks' of the game would make a D consider not rotating to cover the open man.

I guess so. I feel if you have a knockdown 40+% 3 pt shooter this strategy would be used also, in fact I remember guys like Humphrey getting that treatment. I guess it's just fair to say mcbee isn't on that level of shooter, even though most thought he would. Its just frustrating because he has the potential to shoot 45% IMO, which would be a huge weapon, as I pointed out 48% at home is incredible, he just doesn't bring it with him on the road.

 

[altidore17]

I guess so. I feel if you have a knockdown 40+% 3 pt shooter this strategy would be used also, in fact I remember guys like Humphrey getting that treatment. I guess it's just fair to say mcbee isn't on that level of shooter, even though most thought he would. Its just frustrating because he has the potential to shoot 45% IMO, which would be a huge weapon, as I pointed out 48% at home is incredible, he just doesn't bring it with him on the road.

Drawing from what? Because he's short and white and that's what he SHOULD shoot? A lot of people fail to remember this kid was a walk-on player 2 years ago who is STILL having to play out of necessity because Pearl wasn't as good of a recruiter as everyone made him out to be. The kid plays his ass off every night, and I respect him 110% for that because there are only a few players on the team who do the same, but he just doesn't have the athletic ability/talent to create or knock down shots consistently.

If anything, McBee has wildly exceeded any and all expectations he had coming in, while guys like Kenny Hall, Cam Tatum, and Swiperboy have underachieved. I think everyone just needs to lay off the kid's nuts and give him credit for going all out on the court.

 

[calban]

Drawing from what? Because he's short and white and that's what he SHOULD shoot? A lot of people fail to remember this kid was a walk-on player 2 years ago who is STILL having to play out of necessity because Pearl wasn't as good of a recruiter as everyone made him out to be. The kid plays his ass off every night, and I respect him 110% for that because there are only a few players on the team who do the same, but he just doesn't have the athletic ability/talent to create or knock down shots consistently.

If anything, McBee has wildly exceeded any and all expectations he had coming in, while guys like Kenny Hall, Cam Tatum, and Swiperboy have underachieved. I think everyone just needs to lay off the kid's nuts and give him credit for going all out on the court.

+1

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Drawing from what? Because he's short and white and that's what he SHOULD shoot? A lot of people fail to remember this kid was a walk-on player 2 years ago who is STILL having to play out of necessity because Pearl wasn't as good of a recruiter as everyone made him out to be. The kid plays his ass off every night, and I respect him 110% for that because there are only a few players on the team who do the same, but he just doesn't have the athletic ability/talent to create or knock down shots consistently.

If anything, McBee has wildly exceeded any and all expectations he had coming in, while guys like Kenny Hall, Cam Tatum, and Swiperboy have underachieved. I think everyone just needs to lay off the kid's nuts and give him credit for going all out on the court.

Altidore, please look at the following words AFTER what you bolded. I say he has the potential to be a 45% 3 pt shooter, you say based on what. Well if you continued to read you'd see what it's based on...

Skylar has shot 48% at home, that's not an accident he shoots a ton of 3's at home. He has the form to clearly be a great spot up shooter, you can't argue that, how can you argue with 48% at home? As I said that doesn't happen by accident, it's consistency and IMO he just doesnt bring the same confidence on the road.

Altidore nothing in sayjng is talking about his effort or hustle, it's exceptional no doubt.

I'm not talking about others underachieving all in saying is he has proven he can shoot 45%.

He has exceeds expectations that we've had but does that mean he shouldn't be judged? Jajaun smith was a walk on but continued to improve and look how he ended up. All in saying is that mcbee can shoot, he has proven it at home 48% is outstanding, but he needs to do it on the road now. That's all I said and you questioned it, that what makes him a potential 45% shooter, no it doesn't matter that he's white don't say stuff like that, it's because he has proven he can shoot that %.

 

[LittleCat]

Drawing from what? Because he's short and white and that's what he SHOULD shoot? A lot of people fail to remember this kid was a walk-on player 2 years ago who is STILL having to play out of necessity because Pearl wasn't as good of a recruiter as everyone made him out to be. The kid plays his ass off every night, and I respect him 110% for that because there are only a few players on the team who do the same, but he just doesn't have the athletic ability/talent to create or knock down shots consistently.

If anything, McBee has wildly exceeded any and all expectations he had coming in, while guys like Kenny Hall, Cam Tatum, and Swiperboy have underachieved. I think everyone just needs to lay off the kid's nuts and give him credit for going all out on the court.

For once, I completely agree with you. k:

 

[bleedingTNorange]

For once, I completely agree with you. k:

I was saying nothing about any of this rant...all I said is skylar an shoot 45%, he freaked and says based in what because he's white?

All my point was is that skylar has shot 48% at home, most of his 3's are at home, so it's not an accident. He has proven he can shoot a great %. IMO it's just having the confidence to now bring that on the road and be consistent with you shot.


That all I said, not questioning his hustle or effort, or comparing him to hall, tatum or swiperboy. I was talking about skylar and only skylar, and only skykars shooting. I'm sick of people saying things I didn't even say.

 

[altidore17]

Altidore, please look at the following words AFTER what you bolded. I say he has the potential to be a 45% 3 pt shooter, you say based on what. Well if you continued to read you'd see what it's based on...

Skylar has shot 48% at home, that's not an accident he shoots a ton of 3's at home. He has the form to clearly be a great spot up shooter, you can't argue that, how can you argue with 48% at home? As I said that doesn't happen by accident, it's consistency and IMO he just doesnt bring the same confidence on the road.

Altidore nothing in sayjng is talking about his effort or hustle, it's exceptional no doubt.

I'm not talking about others underachieving all in saying is he has proven he can shoot 45%.

So if he had more confidence and was more consistent he could shoot 45%? Chris Lofton was one of the most confident/crispest form guys around and shot 45% only once as a freshman. Form really doesn't matter if you can't put the ball in the hoop. Lebron James has great form on his FT's and yet shoots it at a 73% clip. Joakim Noah has awful form and shoots it at the same mark.

Since we're talking IFs here, if Scotty Hopson didn't have the mental toughness of a 3rd grader, he would've been a 1st team All-American atleast twice and we would have gone to the Final 4. If Michael Jordan would've been drafted by the Portland Trailblazers he would have never won a ring.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So if he had more confidence and was more consistent he could shoot 45%? Chris Lofton was one of the most confident/crispest form guys around and shot 45% only once as a freshman. Form really doesn't matter if you can't put the ball in the hoop. Lebron James has great form on his FT's and yet shoots it at a 73% clip. Joakim Noah has awful form and shoots it at a nearly 80% mark.

Since we're talking IFs here, if Scotty Hopson didn't have the mental toughness of a 3rd grader, he would've been a 1st team All-American atleast twice and we would have gone to the Final 4. If Michael Jordan would've been drafted by the Portland Trailblazers he would have never won a ring.

Lee Humphrey shot 46% what is your point? What is your reasoning for mcbee shooting 48% at home? Luck? All I'm saying is that skylar clearly can do it, he shoots 48% at home, there's no way around that he has the capability to be a great shooter. As I said, how do you explain the fact he shoots 48% at home? It's not like it's 1 or 2 games it's like 13 or 14 games he's averaging that over, that doesn't happen by accident.

Try staying on topic i said nothing about lofton or Hopson, we're talking about skylar. And how Jordan gets in this conversation I'll never know. I'm not playing what ifs, it's a fact skylar shoot 48% at home, that is phenomenal.

 

[altidore17]

Lee Humphrey shot 46% what is your point? What is your reasoning for mcbee shooting 48% at home? Luck?

Try staying on topic unsaid nothing about lofton or Hopson, we're talking about skylar.

My reasoning is because, like 99% of college shooters, he probably puts up 500+ shots a day in either TBA or the facility next door. It's like if me or you were to play on our goal at home all the time and then go to our buddy's house to play. We wouldn't shoot nearly as well. Why? Because we aren't used to his ****ty double rim and that broken shingle that hangs down from where he tried to throw the ball off the house that one time.

There is a different backdrop/feel for all college goals/rims, Skylar and the rest of the team of course shoot better at home because they see it every single day. Only the most talented of shooters (those at the NBA level, elite college players) aren't bothered by this.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

My reasoning is because, like 99% of college shooters, he probably puts up 500+ shots a day in either TBA or the facility next door. It's like if me or you were to play on our goal at home all the time and then go to our buddy's house to play. We wouldn't shoot nearly as well. Why? Because we aren't used to his ****ty double rim and that broken shingle that hangs down from where he tried to throw the ball off the house that one time.

There is a different backdrop/feel for all college goals/rims, Skylar and the rest of the team of course shoot better at home because they see it every single day. Only the most talented of shooters (those at the NBA level, elite college players) aren't bothered by this.

Lee Humphrey was neither a NBA talent or elite college player an he had no problem. Shooters shoot.

I don't know if you know who Terrence oglesby is or not but he's a good friend of mine, went to middle school together in dandridge. He could shoot in Maury, he could shoot at Bradley central, he could shoot at Clemson and every gym in the acc. Shooters shoot! You could bring him to a street court with no chain and he'd still light it up.

 

[altidore17]

Lee Humphrey was neither a NBA talent or elite college player an he had no problem. Shooters shoot.

I don't know if you know who Terrence oglesby is or not but he's a good friend of mine, went to middle school together in dandridge. He could shoot in Maury, he could shoot at Bradley central, he could shoot at Clemson and every gym in the acc. Shooters shoot! You could bring him to a street court with no chain and he'd still light it up.

Maybe I should've rephrased and said college SHOOTER, not player. I don't think you'd find anyone on here that would say Skylar is better than either of those two guys. He is a similar player with much less talent. Which once again is why I said 99% of college shooters can't do that. Lofton, Humphries, Curry all were knockdown 3 pt scorers. Which brings me to my last point.. players shoot, shooters score. You can shoot till the cows come home, but if you can't put the ball through the hoop you're not going to score.

 

[altidore17]

This whole argument is stupid to begin with, you're telling us all that all walk-ons should improve and should 45% from 3pt range simply because that's what they're best at. If everyone on the team had improved as much as Skylar has thus far, we damn sure wouldn't be 11-12. We'd be more like 18-5. So can we stop playing the IF game and focus on reality? Skylar is our best 3pt shooter, if you take him out entirely all teams would have to do is triple team Maymon and Stokes and call it a day.