Slavery Never Existed

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IPorange said:
Good post. The average American has a warped and belittling view of African history. It's an Undertold remarkable one that really captures the essence of humanity as a whole, IMO
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Wow, that is tottally profound, thanks! We would probably have never known.
 
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Very good post gsvol. Also slavery inside of Africa, if someone owed a debt they were put into slavery to pay that debt off. And they were fighting slaves for other nations.
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gsvol said:
Moslems contributed greatly to the holocaust

Don't read the following, stick with your own blind ignorant mindset and never try to learn the truth.

The Nazi Origins of Modern Arab Terror

Moslem appologists are the greates holocaust deniers of them all.
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Most of these black leaders will scream and holler about past transgressions by white Christians, yet you can hear a mouse pee on cotton when the conversation about PRESENT DAY Muslim slavery in Africa.
 
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IPorange said:
Good post. The average American has a warped and belittling view of African history. It's an Undertold remarkable one that really captures the essence of humanity as a whole, IMO
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80% of kids dont even know American History. How do you expect them to know the history of another continent?
 
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....proposal was one of five tea party priorities presented to legislators last week.

"Neglect and outright ill will have distorted the teaching of the history and character of the United States. We seek to compel the teaching of students in Tennessee the truth regarding the history of our nation and the nature of its government," according to papers they passed out Wednesday. Textbooks would be vetted by this standard: "No portrayal of minority experience in the history which actually occurred shall obscure the experience or contributions of the Founding Fathers...."

"Fayette County attorney and tea party spokesman Hal Rounds said they want to address "an awful lot of made-up criticism about, for instance, the founders intruding on the Indians or having slaves or being hypocrites in one way or another."
 
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IPorange said:
Good post. The average American has a warped and belittling view of African history. It's an Undertold remarkable one that really captures the essence of humanity as a whole, IMO
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Agree. For example, many may not know that Africans contributed to the slave trade by selling their prisoners (rival tribes) to others to be used as slaves. They may also be unaware that there was a relatively sizable number of black americans in the south who were also slaveholders.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Agree. For example, many may not know that Africans contributed to the slave trade by selling their prisoners (rival tribes) to others to be used as slaves. They may also be unaware that there was a relatively sizable number of black americans in the south who were also slaveholders.
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Another good post.
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The truth of the matter is that every known race has a brutal history. If anything is to be done with our textbooks I would hope that there would be more information added to them.
 
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tim said:
The truth of the matter is that every known race has a brutal history. If anything is to be done with our textbooks I would hope that there would be more information added to them.
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Very doubtful....
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Agree. For example, many may not know that Africans contributed to the slave trade by selling their prisoners (rival tribes) to others to be used as slaves. They may also be unaware that there was a relatively sizable number of black americans in the south who were also slaveholders.
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Very true, except for the "sizable number" part. More like a couple dozen over 80 years in Louisiana.
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tim said:
The truth of the matter is that every known race has a brutal history. If anything is to be done with our textbooks I would hope that there would be more information added to them.
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History is a very interesting subject and can be extremely beneficial depending on how its viewed. If history is studied and viewed as a source to "understand and learn from the past" then civilization progresses. If history is studied and then leads to continued resentment (whether it be race, sex, religion, etc.) then civilization becomes stagnant and may actually regress.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
History is a very interesting subject and can be extremely beneficial depending on how its viewed. If history is studied and viewed as a source to "understand and learn from the past" then civilization progresses. If history is studied and then leads to continued resentment (whether it be race, sex, religion, etc.) then civilization becomes stagnant and may actually regress.
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Wow that is a very outstanding post!! I'm a huge history buff and that is a good explanation to when people ask "why did we have to learn about a bunch of old dead people in school" BRAVO my friend BRAVO!
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Coach Grizz said:
Wow that is a very outstanding post!! I'm a huge history buff and that is a good explanation to when people ask "why did we have to learn about a bunch of old dead people in school" BRAVO my friend BRAVO!
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:hi: You're too kind, Grizz.



IPorange said:
Very true, except for the "sizable number" part. More like a couple dozen over 80 years in Louisiana.
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Perhaps you should study more history...

According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.

In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000 (3). That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978 (4).

In Charleston, South Carolina in 1860 125 free Negroes owned slaves; six of them owning 10 or more. Of the $1.5 million in taxable property owned by free Negroes in Charleston, more than $300,000 represented slave holdings (5). In North Carolina 69 free Negroes were slave owners (6).
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TMwrk, were the black slave owners prior slaves themselves or were they born free?
 
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I guess I was thinking if plantation owners. Kind of makes you wonder if they are counting those 3000 for owning family members...
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tim said:
TMwrk, were the black slave owners prior slaves themselves or were they born free?
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I'm far from an expert on the subject... just enjoy reading when I have the time. Most were former slaves who either bought or earned their freedom. The vast majority of slave owners (black or white) typically "owned" only a few slaves, and this was usually the case for the freed slaves. And as IP mentioned, some of these could have been benevolent slave owners.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
Very good post gsvol. Also slavery inside of Africa, if someone owed a debt they were put into slavery to pay that debt off. And they were fighting slaves for other nations.
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An interesting side note is the Abraham Lincoln totem pole.

When we purchased Alaska the emancipation proclamation became law there and the Eagle clan who were in the habit of taking Raven clan members to used as slaves, released their prisoners and so the Raven clan carved a huge totem pole with a replica of Abe at the top, complete with his signature top hat to honor him.

It's sad but that story could be found all over google a few years ago, today in trying to find that without spending all day, all I could find were politically correct stories that generally aren't very true, some just ignorance and some are outright lies in today's ever present attempt to rewrite history so that it fits the progressive liberal narative.

No doubt that is exactly what the tea party people are trying to address directly.







Rasputin_Vol said:
Most of these black leaders will scream and holler about past transgressions by white Christians, yet you can hear a mouse pee on cotton when the conversation about PRESENT DAY Muslim slavery in Africa.
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I've noticed that when I try to bring that very topic up on this board.

I appreciate your mental imagery.

:eek:lol:

Actually it POs me endlessly when moslems use racism to recruit members when in reality islam has been ten times as cruel to native Africans as the 'white man' ever was.

As a matter of fact in the Arabic language the word 'abed' means slave and also means black man.




tim said:
The truth of the matter is that every known race has a brutal history. If anything is to be done with our textbooks I would hope that there would be more information added to them.
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More information abut the brutal, bloody history of islam would be in order for sure.
 
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Maybe read the real article.

Tea parties issue demands to Tennessee legislators The Commercial Appeal

If you did, I hate that you don't comprehend well.

I disagree with the idea that we should gloss over history, but these guys aren't saying that it didn't exist. They are simply saying, for some unknown reason, that we should only view the Founding Fathers in a positive light.

On one hand, I tend to agree. We can not judge history based on today. At the time of our founding, slavery was commonplace. I believe these guys seek to prevent people from teaching that our historical figures were terrible men.

Overall, though, I don't really see the point. It's kind of moot, as most teachers will teach how they believe. These kids barely read the book, anyway.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
Very good post gsvol. Also slavery inside of Africa, if someone owed a debt they were put into slavery to pay that debt off. And they were fighting slaves for other nations.
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Thanks, this is one of the most mature discussions I think we have ever had on this touchy topic.

I just happened to watch a segment of Globe Trekker and they were in Malawi and back in the hey day of slave trade that area lost many of it's people to slavery.

One of the best things that happened to those people was the presence of white missionaries, notably Dr Livingston and it was those white missionaries who protected many of the locals from being captured and shipped away to be sold into slavery.




IPorange said:
Very true, except for the "sizable number" part. More like a couple dozen over 80 years in Louisiana.
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When the war between the north and south broke out the two slave owners who owned the most slaves were black men.

They were both slave traders and each owned hundreds of slaves, one was located in Charlston, SC and the other in New Orleans, La.
 
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