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#51
#51
Golfprovol said:
When CJH got here in order to understand how the offense worked, some of us found old Art Briles videos explaining the concepts.
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Good for you. If you really did and didn’t realize he was explaining Run n Shoot concepts, it still leaves a ton of questions about how much you actually know, but okay
 
#52
#52
Vol8188 said:
Lol okay. If you demand a pissing contest, I guess we can.
Please diagram some basic run n shoot concepts for me and explain to me how long youve been going these concepts?

I’ve tried to nicely explain to you that you’ve been mislead. I wouldn’t care if the way in which you’ve been mislead didn’t also involve you taking shots at our WRs based on things you can’t possibly know. But sometimes the best thing you can do for the ignorant is to expose their lack of knowledge to them.

So please explain…I will wait
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No one can help you if you do not want to help yourself. I have given you visual information to help you understand things better, but you refuse you help yourself.
 
#53
#53
Golfprovol said:
Watch the video and it will show you. Or better yet, find the Briles videos and let him explain it to you
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Interesting, help me please. In what video did Briles describe how you can see a hitch route and know if the WR had an option on his route?
 
#54
#54
Vol8188 said:
Good for you. If you really did and didn’t realize he was explaining Run n Shoot concepts, it still leaves a ton of questions about how much you actually know, but okay
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You still say run and shoot and we operate in a veer and shoot. There is a difference but your stubbornness won't allow you to accept that.
 
#55
#55
Vol8188 said:
Interesting, help me please. In what video did Briles describe how you can see a hitch route and know if the WR had an option on his route?
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The routes are based on the defense. Our WR's have 2 rules

If he is even, I am leaving. - meaning if the WR can touch the cover man, the route becomes, turn on the jets and take the top off the defense

If he is deep, I stop. - meaning if the cushion the cover man gives doesn't break down, I run a hitch, a curl, or a dig route. And that is based on where the leverage is.
 
#56
#56
Vol8188 said:
Interesting, help me please. In what video did Briles describe how you can see a hitch route and know if the WR had an option on his route?
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Depending on if you are the "X" the "Y" or the "Z" receiver, if your cushion is intact and the opposite receiver has the same options, maybe you just stop and don't do anything. Ever paid enough attention to see sometimes our WR's do nothing on a play?

That is because the cushion didn't break down, they can't run a dig because the opposite side might be running that route, and there is a TE or RB coming to the flat, so the run about 5-10 yards and stop.
 
#57
#57
Golfprovol said:
This year our WR's were not capable of making the reads, which is why it was dumbed down for them. The hour long video explains this.

P.S. we do not run a run & shoot offense. Our is a take off that but a veer and shoot. Watch the 21 minute video.......
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Where is the hr long video link
 
#61
#61
Vol8188 said:
Thanks. I agree that’s more complex. What I don’t agree with is the idea that someone can tell from film if you’re reading those routes or not.

If a guy runs a hitch, how do we know he had the option to go deep but didn’t?
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I guess you wouldn’t know for sure on one specific play if you didn’t have access to the playbook, but with enough tape you could probably figure it out. I do know that option routes are plentiful in this offense, or were at least when Hooker was running things.
 
#62
#62
KTrain said:
Zachariah Branch is no longer on the USC Trojans football team. He entered the transfer portal along with his brother Zion, who plays safety for the Trojans. The brothers are expected to commit to the same program for 2025.

We are going after him hard he has a younger brother too that could figure in the equation.
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I believe Nico and his dad are talking up UT to the Branches and also Nico played with Branch at the Polynesian Bowl… LETS GO BIG 🍊Rocky Top 4-Life!!!
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
I guess you wouldn’t know for sure on one specific play if you didn’t have access to the playbook, but with enough tape you could probably figure it out. I do know that option routes are plentiful in this offense, or were at least when Hooker was running things.
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The problem is you can watch the same play thousands of times and never know. For example you could watch a team who runs zone read constantly. But you’ll never know if the QB was told “keep this no matter what” or “give this no matter what” and those things happen.

Sometimes routes are set “run a hitch no matter what”, other times they’re not. No level of film will tell you that
 
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Golfprovol said:
No one can help you if you do not want to help yourself. I have given you visual information to help you understand things better, but you refuse you help yourself.
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So kind of you. You still fail to understand the overall point, but thank you for such kindness.
 
#66
#66
Golfprovol said:
Jesus Cbrist dude, the routes are based on the defense. Our WR's have 2 rules

If he is even, I am leaving. - meaning if the WR can touch the cover man, the route becomes, turn on the jets and take the top off the defense

If he is deep, I stop. - meaning if the cushion the cover man gives doesn't break down, I run a hitch, a curl, or a dig route. And that is based on where the leverage is.
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I promise you, I’m well aware of all this. That’s not the question.

The question was how can you watch a guy run a hitch and know if it was a called hitch route or if it was an option route?

The point is you can’t do that. Nor can I. Nor can anyone else.

Yet you’re trying to claim to know this. Because some person on YouTube watched a video of it and told you the routes weren’t option routes.

You then took that information and disparaged our WRs based on your own ignorance of the situation.

So please tell me how you can tell if a route is or is not an option route based on video?
 
#67
#67
Tennessee has to get tougher & more physical on the OL. Good Teams are controlling the run with 5, sometimes 4 in the box & keeping 6 & 7 in coverage. Vols have to force teams outta that strategy.
 
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#68
Vol8188 said:
I promise you, I’m well aware of all this. That’s not the question.

The question was how can you watch a guy run a hitch and know if it was a called hitch route or if it was an option route?

The point is you can’t do that. Nor can I. Nor can anyone else.

Yet you’re trying to claim to know this. Because some person on YouTube watched a video of it and told you the routes weren’t option routes.

You then took that information and disparaged our WRs based on your own ignorance of the situation.

So please tell me how you can tell if a route is or is not an option route based on video?
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LAST TIME I WILL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU

They ALL are option routes! The 2 rules I have stated over and over, make all routes option routes, they are based on what the defense is doing. We read the defense and run the route needed to attack that defense.

I really hate it when posters keep doubling down on a wrong take because they are too proud or too stupid to admit they didn't understand.
 
#70
#70
So Josh used pre snap motion, stacked WR, etc. in 2022 but over the last 2 years we've lost all creativity bc our WR's cant process fast enough. Not buying it. If that is the case then WR coach needs to go because it's his job to teach these guys. We had the worst separation rate for routes since Heupel has been here this year. Our scheme is not the same. Our play calling is not the same. Defenses haven't just figured us out... we've made it easier than ever before for them to.
 
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#71
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Vol8188 said:
The problem is you can watch the same play thousands of times and never know. For example you could watch a team who runs zone read constantly. But you’ll never know if the QB was told “keep this no matter what” or “give this no matter what” and those things happen.

Sometimes routes are set “run a hitch no matter what”, other times they’re not. No level of film will tell you that
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Well I would disagree a bit on your last point. If, for instance, a QB throws a ball somewhere and the receiver is nowhere around, then the QB is pointing at the spot where he threw it and the receiver is hanging his head, odds are it was an option route.

Then you have some guys like Travis Kelce, who is pretty much given carte blanche to just run to where he will be open.
 
#72
#72
Peyton_ManThing said:
So Josh used pre snap motion, stacked WR, etc. in 2022 but over the last 2 years we've lost all creativity bc our WR's cant process fast enough. Not buying it. If that is the case then WR coach needs to go because it's his job to teach these guys. We had the worst separation rate for routes since Heupel has been here this year. Our scheme is not the same. Our play calling is not the same. Defenses haven't just figured us out... we've made it easier than ever before for them to.
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We have made it easier. The longer video shows how the offense was dumbed down over the last 2 years. No reason to do this unless the players can't handle the more complex concepts.
 
#74
#74
Golfprovol said:
These were posted in another thread. After watching them and focusing on the WR's, I came to realize how cerebral our QB & WR's need to be in order manipulate the defense and go at warp speed.

Watch and just pay attention to the decisions the WR's have to make. The first one shows how simple.the routes this year became, which again leads me to believe our WR's this year could not process the info quick enough

Maybe our current crop of WR's could not do it that fast.....just a thought


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If WRs can’t understand or adapt to these concepts and play fast then they’ve no business playing college football. This is simple stuff, yet it is difficult on a defense that can’t sub or struggles keeping up with a fast pace of play.

It would’ve been nice if the commentator had noted which plays TN was going fast versus slowing down. Hard to tell from the film due to necessary editing.
 
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#75
#75
brockytop said:
If WRs can’t understand or adapt to these concepts and play fast then they’ve no business playing college football. This is simple stuff, yet it is difficult on a defense that can’t sub or struggles keeping up with a fast pace of play.

It would’ve been nice if the commentator had noted which plays TN was going fast versus slowing down. Hard to tell from the film due to necessary editing.
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I thought the stat that Nico holds the ball almost 1 second longer than Hendon did was interesting. Also the time before pressure rate this year was longer than in 2022.
 
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