Smart WR's

#76
#76
Golfprovol said:
The actual route ran by the WR is just a path, but what they need to do in order to manipulate the DB, the NB, or the safety and then what they do based on the defense reaction is what becomes complicated.

The easy part is "if he is even, I am leaving" - meaning if our WR can touch the man covering him, then just run past him

"If he is deep, I stop" - meaning if he can't touch the man covering, then the read comes whether it is an out, a dig, a curl, or a post.

The WRust read all the secondary, plus LB's that may drop in coverage.

Nico and our WR's need to be on the same page. They struggled to do that this year, resulting in a slower pace, more basic WR reads, and even set routes and targets.
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It’s not complicated. Just about every offense at the college and pro level has route reads based on the defense. Hell, other coaches have talked about TN’s lack of complexity but what makes our offense difficult is the fast pace and how we spread a defense out to get number advantages in either the box or passing game.
 
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brockytop said:
It’s not complicated. Just about every offense at the college and pro level has route reads based on the defense. Hell, other coaches have talked about TN’s lack of complexity but what makes our offense difficult is the fast pace and how we spread a defense out to get number advantages in either the box or passing game.
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Thanks for that post! Others in here dont think it is possible to tell if a route is an option route or a set route based on the defense on film!
 
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Golfprovol said:
LAST TIME I WILL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU (your wife my be a saint for dealing with your ass)

They ALL are option routes! The 2 rules I have stated over and over, make all routes option routes, they are based on what the defense is doing. We read the defense and run the route needed to attack that defense.

I really hate it when posters keep doubling down on a wrong take because they are too proud or too stupid to admit they didn't understand.
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You literally said they were running less options routes and more simplistic routes earlier because you didn’t believe the WRs could process the more complex routes.

Now they’re all option routes?

And yes, I clearly just don’t know the game of football like you do. Thank you for being so patient with me
 
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Golfprovol said:
I thought the stat that Nico holds the ball almost 1 second longer than Hendon did was interesting. Also the time before pressure rate this year was longer than in 2022.
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It’s funny, as much talk as there was about Josh Dobbs smarts I felt like he struggled processing the game as fast as he should. Hooker was much better at it IMO. Nico’s more like Dobbs than Hooker at this point—so was Milton. Just gotta hope processing a play gets easier for him.
 
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Golfprovol said:
I thought the stat that Nico holds the ball almost 1 second longer than Hendon did was interesting. Also the time before pressure rate this year was longer than in 2022.
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Defenses defended Vols in ‘23 &’24 differently than they did in ‘22.

I saw a stat on Sports Source where Nico had double the % of passes under pressure as Hooker & double the % of passes dropped.
 
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wmcovol said:
Defenses defended Vols in ‘23 &’24 differently than they did in ‘22.

I saw a stat on Sports Source where Nico had double the % of passes under pressure as Hooker & double the % of passes dropped.
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The longer video shows a lot of good stats comparing 2022 with 2024.

The OL in 2024 graded higher than 2022
Nico held onto the ball for almost a second longer than Hendon
Nico also had more time to throw than Hendon
Hendon threw just a few more passes
 
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Golfprovol said:
The longer video shows a lot of good stats comparing 2022 with 2024.

The OL in 2024 graded higher than 2022
Nico held onto the ball for almost a second longer than Hendon
Nico also had more time to throw than Hendon
Hendon threw just a few more passes
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I’ll never buy the OL graded higher this yr than ‘22. Tackle play in ‘24 was beyond horrible. Rarely did any of them grade in the 50s.
 
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VawlIn said:
Then he needs to adapt his offense to a system that allows him to put his best athletes on the field and put those athletes in the best positions possible to make an impact
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You aren’t wrong but I don’t think you are right. I think we need to recruit better
 
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#88
wmcovol said:
I’ll never buy the OL graded higher this yr than ‘22. Tackle play in ‘24 was beyond horrible. Rarely did any of them grade in the 50s.
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The stat says the OL grade in 2024 was 67.6 and in 2022 it was 57.4. Not my numbers just the guy passing on info.
 
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VawlIn said:
Then he needs to adapt his offense to a system that allows him to put his best athletes on the field and put those athletes in the best positions possible to make an impact
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Then his offense is totally different and no one ever learns it.

If you were 16 and your parent bought you a manual transmission for your first car and then said, we will get you an automatic to drive until you learn how tomdrive the other one. Are you ever going to learn the manual?
 
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#90
Golfprovol said:
We have made it easier. The longer video shows how the offense was dumbed down over the last 2 years. No reason to do this unless the players can't handle the more complex concepts.
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I get dumbing down certain things, especially with freshmen. However, we had two starters at WR that have been in the system for 3 years. One of those being Squirrel who was getting starting time as a freshman. Another 2 that have been practicing in the system for at least 2 years. WR's in 21 & 22 seemed to have no issues picking up on the system in their first year. I just find it extremely hard to believe the whole system has been dumbed down bc WR's are uncapable of grasping which route they should be running. I would find it far more likely that it would be more dumbing down for Nico, but even then why are we way down on presnap motion and creativity. Granted Nico missed some deep shots this year that would have made the offense have that more "explosive" look but more I watch more it appears to be a Golesh factor. Heupel has always been the offensive guy but Golesh called plays and Heupel could overrule if he didn't like it. It looks like that wasn't happening that often.
 
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Golfprovol said:
The stat says the OL grade in 2024 was 67.6 and in 2022 it was 57.4. Not my numbers just the guy passing on info.
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I guess I’ll just believe my lying ass eyes then.

I’m not sure any tackle scored 60 (most games below 50%) per PFF in any legit game this season.
 
#93
#93
Golfprovol said:
We have made it easier. The longer video shows how the offense was dumbed down over the last 2 years. No reason to do this unless the players can't handle the more complex concepts.
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So basically instead of the WR and QB being up to speed with processing what they're seeing and picking the best option the coach is calling plays like in the old video games(haven't played a Madden in years) that routes are preplanned and no options, says you run up field, you run a dig and you run a curl and the coach tells the QB who to throw to but what spots the others will be at for the check down.
Make sense and simple as long as you know they play, you know before hand where you can throw to and pretty much good or bad presnap already made up your mind where you're going with the ball.
Play calling definitely didn't look to have the flair it did it '22.
I've said it was because Golesh was gone, that he was able to exploit weaknesses and I still think he was part of it with him being able to study film, plan and call plays in to CJH but maybe the options in the video had a lot to do with it also in 22.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
So basically instead of the WR and QB being up to speed with processing what they're seeing and picking the best option the coach is calling plays like in the old video games(haven't played a Madden in years) that routes are preplanned and no options, says you run up field, you run a dig and you run a curl and the coach tells the QB who to throw to but what spots the others will be at for the check down.
Make sense and simple as long as you know they play, you know before hand where you can throw to and pretty much good or bad presnap already made up your mind where you're going with the ball.
Play calling definitely didn't look to have the flair it did it '22.
I've said it was because Golesh was gone, that he was able to exploit weaknesses and I still think he was part of it with him being able to study film, plan and call plays in to CJH but maybe the options in the video had a lot to do with it also in 22.
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I think as the QB and WR get faster we will get back to the 2022 look
 
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wmcovol said:
Defenses defended Vols in ‘23 &’24 differently than they did in ‘22.

I saw a stat on Sports Source where Nico had double the % of passes under pressure as Hooker & double the % of passes dropped.
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I also saw that. However, I do not know the source of those data. I think the data are generated by their staff.
 
#100
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I was just watching Texas vs Arizona State and saw Ewers throw the ball before the receiver even turned around. Two things, the receiver ran a good route and the quarterback recognised what was going on. Rarely saw that this year at Tennessee. Spurrier used to teach this, one, two, three throw.
 
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