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utvolpj said:
Couldn't care less about the religious aspect. Intentionally breaking a promise, no matter what that promise may be, should be seen as an act of dishonesty. You simply pick and choose which ones you want to enforce. It's an interesting stance but it's not uncommon anymore
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Maybe I skimmed over it a couple pages ago, but I'm not sure what you're getting at here PJ. I agree that marriage is supposed to be forever, but surely you can agree there are levels of dishonesty. Just like there are levels of crimes. Although many acts are against the law, in my mind, some a more heinous than others.

I'd venture to guess that many believe believe both divorce and adultery are wrong (breaking of a promise, like you said), but rate adultery as the greater of the two wrongs. Personally, I wouldn't rate two people who decide they can't work through their difficulties and get a divorce on the same level as someone who cheated on their spouse the entire relationship. You disagree?
 
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hog88 said:
Boy you are grasping for straws. As normal.

Look at marriage as a contract, it can be amicably broken but cannot be amicably violated. There is nothing dishonest about telling someone you don't want to be married anymore BEFORE you go **** someone else.

As far as me, it's until death do us part. No other way out.
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Not grasping at anything. A man stood up in front of his friends and family, took a vow then broke it. You take the stance that certain parts of that "sacred vow" are negotiable and some aren't. Of course that is never included in the vow so who knows which part we have to live by to be considered honest.

These conditional sacred vows are very confusing
 
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utvolpj said:
Not grasping at anything. A man stood up in front of his friends and family, took a vow then broke it. You take the stance that certain parts of that "sacred vow" are negotiable and some aren't. Of course that is never included in the vow so who knows which part we have to live by to be considered honest.

These conditional sacred vows are very confusing
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Not everyone has a wedding.
 
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utvolpj said:
Not grasping at anything. A man stood up in front of his friends and family, took a vow then broke it. You take the stance that certain parts of that "sacred vow" are negotiable and some aren't. Of course that is never included in the vow so who knows which part we have to live by to be considered honest.

These conditional sacred vows are very confusing
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I said solemn not sacred.

Do you need definitions?
 
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Also, is it dishonest to tell your wife the jeans don't make her fat? I file that under smart relationship management. :)

But what do I know. I'm already sleeping on the couch from a couple pages back. :lol:
 
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Freak said:
I'd venture to guess that many believe believe both divorce and adultery are wrong
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I would disagree completely. The vast majority do not see any real wrong in divorce. In fact it's very acceptable to do it in today's society

Freak said:
but rate adultery as the greater of the two wrongs. You disagree?
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I think that is simply by convenience and necessity. How many cheat vs how many get a divorce? It's no different than many other wrongs/sins in today's world. Easier to speak out loudly about a wrong you're less likely to commit
 
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Freak said:
Also, is it dishonest to tell your wife the jeans don't make her fat? I file that under smart relationship management. :)

But what do I know. I'm already sleeping on the couch from a couple pages back. :lol:
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There is dishonest and then there is fudging. :)
 
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utvolpj said:
I would disagree completely. The vast majority do not see any real wrong in divorce. In fact it's very acceptable to do it in today's society



I think that is simply by convenience and necessity. How many cheat vs how many get a divorce? It's no different than many other wrongs/sins in today's world. Easier to speak out loudly about a wrong you're less likely to commit
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I didn't say the majority. I'll agree many people don't see anything wrong with divorce. That wasn't my point. Mine was more of a conditional of both parts: many will agree both are wrong WHILE believing adultery is the greater of the two wrongs. I don't have any factual basis for this, it just seems to be the case based on personal experience.

In other words, for those who agree breaking marriage vows in any way is wrong, many would believe adultery is the greater of the wrongs.

As for your question on convenience and necessity: how many cheat and how many get a divorce? I have no idea. Is cheating much less common than divorce? (I honestly have no idea.) I assume you're saying because divorce is more common, people find it more acceptable?
 
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utvolpj said:
This is really bad. I'm not sure many realize the damage it can do
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Please! I have no sympathy for those 37 million idiots. Make it rain on the infidels! If you're dumb enough to use that site you deserve whatever is coming to you.
 
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Freak said:
I didn't say the majority. I'll agree many people don't see anything wrong with divorce. That wasn't my point. Mine was more of a conditional of both parts: many will agree both are wrong WHILE believing adultery is the greater of the two wrongs. I don't have any factual basis for this, it just seems to be the case based on personal experience.

In other words, for those who agree breaking marriage vows in any way is wrong, many would believe adultery is the greater of the wrongs.

As for your question on convenience and necessity: how many cheat and how many get a divorce? I have no idea. Is cheating much less common than divorce? (I honestly have no idea.) I assume you're saying because divorce is more common, people find it more acceptable?
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Inconvenient, unfortunate, undesirable or expensive maybe but I think the days of it being viewed as wrong are long gone. I think that happens as it becomes more common since people don't want to define their own personal acts as wrong. Again just something I've noticed with lots of social issues.

I don't have a view on others divorces but know it's not something I'm interested in doing. I just have a hard time saying that breaking this vow is wrong while breaking this other one is acceptable. Especially when I said them in the same breath
 
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Coug said:
Please! I have no sympathy for those 37 million idiots. Make it rain on the infidels! If you're dumb enough to use that site you deserve whatever is coming to you.
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Their kids don't. I do not enjoy the thought of kids having to deal with this like you seem to. Also, what right do you have to this illegally obtained information?

The effect it will have on the family in this country likely can't be undone

Also, what right do you have to this illegally obtained information? Are you OK with any and all data in this country being eligible for release at any moment?
 
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utvolpj said:
Their kids don't. I do not enjoy the thought of kids having to deal with this like you seem to. Also, what right do you have to this illegally obtained information?

The effect it will have on the family in this country likely can't be undone

Also, what right do you have to this illegally obtained information? Are you OK with any and all data in this country being eligible for release at any moment?
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It'll be forgotten about tomorrow when something else happens.
 
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