So, how you all going to spin this one

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BigPapaVol said:
We set very few high screens. We made a concerted effort toward the rack, but let's not pretend that was some genius coaching move. It was obvious and our only prayer to score.
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I'm beginning to think you are biased irregardless, for whatever reason. The high ball screen was implemented in the last 6-7 minutes of the game when Vandy was not in zone. Goins and Hop ran off of BW screens at the key.
 
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#53
pl3 said:
I'm beginning to think you are biased irregardless, for whatever reason. The high ball screen was implemented in the last 6-7 minutes of the game when Vandy was not in zone. Goins and Hop ran off of BW screens at the key.
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How many high screens did we use? The most effective one was Tobias for Hopson. Goins was just going by Tinsley because Tinsley can't guard.
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#54
#54
BigPapaVol said:
We set very few high screens. We made a concerted effort toward the rack, but let's not pretend that was some genius coaching move. It was obvious and our only prayer to score.
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Summary: When we win, it's not because of coaching, and when we lose, it is.
 
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#55
BigPapaVol said:
How many high screens did we use? The most effective one was Tobias for Hopson. Goins was just going by Tinsley because Tinsley can't guard.
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I can think of 5 possessions in the last 3-4 minutes alone. I kept thinking BW was going to get called for moving or leaning. I don't remember tobias, but that would be another one in the last few minutes, which is when they closed it out. Good time to make a change if you ask me. If we always call out BP for his errors, at least man up and give him credit. Saying he had nothing to due with it is ridiculous, irregardless.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Anytime we win, it's despite our half-court offense. The defensive gameplan tonight was excellent, however.
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Pro-Pearl vs. anti-Pearl sniping aside, I thought our offense looked more energetic tonight than it has in months.

We did less "pass the ball back and forth at the top" and more 5-man movement and cutting than we have...maybe all year?

We brick layups worse than most middle school teams, but the energy was better tonight.
 
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StepCross said:
Summary: When we win, it's not because of coaching, and when we lose, it is.
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If the coaching is bad, it is when we win or lose. Certainly you'd agree that we can lose due to coaching and win despite the coaching, no?
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#60
StepCross said:
Summary: When we win, it's not because of coaching, and when we lose, it is.
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I am so glad we have been able to overcome Pearl's coaching more than 25 times per season against one of the country's hardest schedules the last five years.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
If the coaching is bad, it is when we win or lose. Certainly you'd agree that we can lose due to coaching and win despite the coaching, no?
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Sure, but if "coaching" is always the explanation for a loss, and "not coaching" is always the explanation for a win, then that's not a very reasonable position IMO.
 
#62
#62
StepCross said:
Pro-Pearl vs. anti-Pearl sniping aside, I thought our offense looked more energetic tonight than it has in months.

We did less "pass the ball back and forth at the top" and more 5-man movement and cutting than we have...maybe all year?

We brick layups worse than most middle school teams, but the energy was better tonight.
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I really think it looked a little better because we, for some reason, are better against the 2-3 than we are against man to man. Why Vandy chose to play extended periods of zone is beyond me. We got good shots and killed them on the boards the entire time. I think they would have made it much more difficult on us had they just played a sluffing man during the home stretch.
 
#63
#63
StepCross said:
Sure, but if "coaching" is always the explanation for a loss, and "not coaching" is always the explanation for a win, then that's not a very reasonable position IMO.
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Who has ever argued that? Coachig is the reason our teams rarely do the small and discipline driven things that win games when teams are struggling. That happens every day. Coaching our offense happens daily. In game stuff matters every once in a while, but not often. Pearl is better in game than out for my money.
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Snakes on a Wii said:
I'll be brief:

Vandy choked. Nothing about Tennessee's performance tonight was stellar except our capitalization off of Vandy's numerous boneheaded mistakes with the ball. I am so glad we got the win, regardless of how it happened. But Vandy helped us out a lot with all the turnovers and bad fouls.
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Wow. Epic failure. I will say Vandy looked scared at times towards the end but they didn't put the ball in the hole for us when we went down by 11. Besides a couple of bad shots towards the end of the game, our defense was in total shutdown mode. Did you notice some of those turnovers? Tennessee picked a lot of pockets and forced most of those. They weren't 'ill-advised' turnovers or dumb mistakes. Wasn't Vandy's best game but we did have a lot to do with that. Goins stepped up and Hopson & Harris continued.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Coachig is the reason our teams rarely do the small and discipline driven things that win games when teams are struggling. That happens every day. Coaching our offense happens daily. In game stuff matters every once in a while, but not often. Pearl is better in game than out for my money.
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Interesting. I've always thought exactly the opposite: Pearl is a monster scout and tactician, and hell on wheels explaining his pregame plans to his kids (communication is always, always on the coach, and that's one thing he's good at)...but awful at in-game adjustments. If his pregame/prep plan doesn't beat you, he's liable to get blown out by 20.

Our teams have done the small things pretty well, overall. That first year when Maze was a junior we wouldn't guard anyone, and this year has been a disaster. But otherwise, Pearl has gotten a lot out of some fairly average players.

I have serious complaints about Pearl at this point, but I just don't think that's the right one.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Wow. Epic failure. I will say Vandy looked scared at times towards the end but they didn't put the ball in the hole for us when we went down by 11. Besides a couple of bad shots towards the end of the game, our defense was in total shutdown mode. Did you notice some of those turnovers? Tennessee picked a lot of pockets and forced most of those. They weren't 'ill-advised' turnovers or dumb mistakes. Wasn't Vandy's best game but we did have a lot to do with that. Goins stepped up and Hopson & Harris continued.
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Both times we played Vandy we conveniently managed to "force a lot of turnovers" Why can't we do that to any team? Vandy's sloppy ballhandling got us a lot of those TOs. Of course we had to work for some of them. But it's not like we ripped the ball out of their hands 9/10; they put the ball on the ground and we came out of there with it.
 
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#70
WesternKyVol said:
Don't strain yourself cheering for the Vols. It is what it is? What it is, is the best win of the entire season!
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I'm sorry, my blind fanaticism for Tennessee has led me to believe some ridiculous things in the past but I can't overlook a sub-par performance by our team for the vast majority of the game. If we had played like that against the Dukes, Kansases, etc of college bball we would have lost, probably badly, despite the late surge we had defensively.
 
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#71
Snakes on a Wii said:
I'm sorry, my blind fanaticism for Tennessee has led me to believe some ridiculous things in the past but I can't overlook a sub-par performance by our team for the vast majority of the game. If we had played like that against the Dukes, Kansases, etc of college bball we would have lost, probably badly, despite the late surge we had defensively.
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Sub-par? I dunno, we played pretty well at Vandy. Our post men finally hit some shots, we defended very well, we finally were able to force the issue and get to the FT stripe, and Melvin had his best game since Pittsburgh.

Your bar is set too high...especially for this particular team.
 
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#72
StepCross said:
Sub-par? I dunno, we played pretty well at Vandy. Our post men finally hit some shots, we defended very well, we finally were able to force the issue and get to the FT stripe, and Melvin had his best game since Pittsburgh.

Your bar is set too high...especially for this particular team.
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Did you watch the whole game or just the last 10 minutes of the second half? The great thing about message boards is the records they keep of people's emotions. Go into the game thread and see how many fans were happy about our performance until the stretch.
 
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#74
Snakes on a Wii said:
The great thing about message boards is the records they keep of people's emotions. Go into the game thread and see how many fans were happy about our performance until the stretch.
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So we're supposed to judge the team's performance based on the emotions of fans on a message board at various times in the game?

That's an odd metric. But, to each his own. I guess.
 
#75
#75
StepCross said:
So we're supposed to judge the team's performance based on the emotions of fans on a message board at various times in the game?

That's an odd metric. But, to each his own. I guess.
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The team's performance is being judged by that metric right now, which is why people like me are getting slammed for not praising the performance. No matter which way you look at it we were fortunate Vandy missed some free throws down the stretch. If they made them we're talking a loss with the exact same performance by Tennessee. And I doubt you'd be pleased with our performance then.
 
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