So Legendary Coach Pat Summit was forced out...

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ladyvols1 said:
Heartless is an Alabama boy. You don't change that crimson blood just because you get hired at TN. I don't like him, never have. He and his good ole boys completely wiped out the majorty of women and kept one that is required by law. Ask yourself when the merger took place how many men lost their positions vs the number of women who lost theirs. You may not like Ms. Jennings but she knew the women's programs backwards and forwards. She did a great job over the years for the Lady Vols. They forced her out and hired a younger man that DJ trained. They took the one program, the women's program, that has never had a mark against it and put the men in charge of the athletics dept. The men haven't been able to stay out of trouble with the NCAA. Athletes arrested, men. Athletes not graduating from the men's side of the program. The Lady Vols Basketball is well known for graduating 100%. I don't trust Hartless and this hire will come back to haunt UT in the years to come. JMO
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Sounds like you are part of the agenda.
 
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I think I would rather have her step down than to coach and have some schmuck reporter bring up her ailment after a tough/bad loss.
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Good argument except it is wrong, the Lady Vols were totally self sufficent largely due to the Lady Vol brand and basketball. Nice try, but factually wrong.
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That's not correct. Women's basketball broke even, but the other sports did not. The only sports that do not lose money at UT are football and men's and women's basketball.

When it comes to finances, the departments have been combined since the 80's.
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Good argument except it is wrong, the Lady Vols were totally self sufficent largely due to the Lady Vol brand and basketball. Nice try, but factually wrong.
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Does the women's basketball team generate enough revenue to pay for all the other women's sports? Please provide a citation. My understanding has always been that football and men's basketball make money, women's basketball breaks even, and everything else loses money.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Does the women's basketball team generate enough revenue to pay for all the other women's sports? Please provide a citation. My understanding has always been that football and men's basketball make money, women's basketball breaks even, and everything else loses money.
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There is a lot include in "everything" else. Many other men's and women's programs don't generate revenue.
 
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BTW, I don't have any opinion on the merit of the lawsuits from Jennings or Bud Ford but I did get a kick out of how these sorts of documents drag in everything but the kitchen sink.

We get a short and completely irrelevant, pre-1900 history lesson about UT. Hart gets accused of organizing Miller Lite tailgate parties that featured bikini contests when he was in the athletic department at East Bumf&*k U. There are charts showing what 1/7th looks like... as if a judge can't understand the concept of fractions without the aid of a pictogram. Jennings was carping over a difference of about $4k in pay between her and Bud Ford on a salary that I have heard quoted as being anywhere from $70k to $200k... so a few percent at best without consideration for longevity, duties etc...

None of that is to say the UTAD is in the right but it is to say that lawyers throw everything at the wall to see what sticks and they aren't worth what they are paid except that they get you access to the legal sausage factory.

Since UT was in the red I suspect their motivation was to replace expensive employees with fewer and cheaper ones. That no one can tell the difference in UTAD performance since this all happened means it was probably a good move. Whether they should have hired more women or fired the ones they did is a different issue.

The fact is that football pays for everything. It is the cash cow and the cow isn't giving much milk right now given the on field product and payouts for bad decisions that were made in the past. So in a consolidation those employees most closely associated with the football program are the ones that will be kept. They will get the high paying positions and hold the highest ranking titles regardless of tenure. That is the long and the short of it.

I will be interested to see what Hart and UT has to say in response. The part I found most interesting was the charge that Dooley did not want to work with a woman. Also, the women's soccer coach tried to hit Hart up for a raise and he said "See, ya!"
 
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Wish we would have hired a real competitive coach. Right now, we have the diet no frills version. It's going to be a long hard season.
 
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Slydell said:
There is a lot include in "everything" else. Many other men's and women's programs don't generate revenue.
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That's the point. Football and men's basketball are the only sports that make money. That's why everything else is subordinate. The post I was replying to complained that the women's sports were being merged with the men's AD, but the simple fact is that the women's sports can't pay for themselves. (Neither can any of the men's sports except the two cash cows, obviously.)
 
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madbamahater said:
You sir or lady are wrong! there is no way forcing her out would be the decision to make! If this comes out to be true you will find yourself in a very small minority and there will be major repercussions from donors and other alum if true. Just wait!
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I'll be in that "minority" with him. I've defended CPS at every turn and could not have more respect for coaching abilities and class, but the notion she is somehow superhuman and can "beat" Alzheimers is just ridiculous. It is not in her interest or the university's interest to suffer through an embarrassing decline. She was not the same the past couple years. Have to be blind not to see that. A true, once-in-a-lifetime icon. I wish her the best possible in her remaining time. Jennings makes me sick.
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Summitt backs up Jennings in lawsuit against UT | wbir.com

In the affidavit by Summitt:

"During this one-on-one meeting, Dave Hart indicated to me that I would not be coaching the Lady Vol Basketball Team in the next school year and he planned to name Holly Warlick as the head coach. Dave Hart told me I would still have an office in Thompson-Boling Arena and my title could be Head Coach Emeritus. This was very surprising to me and very hurtful as that was a decision I would have liked to have made on my own at the end of the season after consulting with my family, doctors, colleagues, and friends and not be told this by Mr. Hart. I felt it was wrong."
 
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utkCREW said:
Summitt backs up Jennings in lawsuit against UT | wbir.com

In the affidavit by Summitt:

"During this one-on-one meeting, Dave Hart indicated to me that I would not be coaching the Lady Vol Basketball Team in the next school year and he planned to name Holly Warlick as the head coach. Dave Hart told me I would still have an office in Thompson-Boling Arena and my title could be Head Coach Emeritus. This was very surprising to me and very hurtful as that was a decision I would have liked to have made on my own at the end of the season after consulting with my family, doctors, colleagues, and friends and not be told this by Mr. Hart. I felt it was wrong."
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Considering Pat's statement, I feel like a few people in this thread owe Ms. Jennings an apology for calling her a liar.
 
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utkCREW said:
Summitt backs up Jennings in lawsuit against UT | wbir.com

In the affidavit by Summitt:

"During this one-on-one meeting, Dave Hart indicated to me that I would not be coaching the Lady Vol Basketball Team in the next school year and he planned to name Holly Warlick as the head coach. Dave Hart told me I would still have an office in Thompson-Boling Arena and my title could be Head Coach Emeritus. This was very surprising to me and very hurtful as that was a decision I would have liked to have made on my own at the end of the season after consulting with my family, doctors, colleagues, and friends and not be told this by Mr. Hart. I felt it was wrong."
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This makes me mad as hell. Coach Summitt deserved better than this. Hart needs to take his a$$ back to bamer.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Considering Pat's statement, I feel like a few people in this thread owe Ms. Jennings an apology for calling her a liar.
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Do you see what hart was trying to do?

He needs to make a statement, I bet there is more to this.
 
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TN Jed said:
This makes me mad as hell. Coach Summitt deserved better than this. Hart needs to take his a$$ back to bamer.
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What was he supposed to do? Let her coach indefinitely? I support Hart on this. People close to the program knew that she was having major problems. It's a sad situation, but she was not coaching at full capacity which is why she missed a ton of games.
 
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I can't believe more people aren't outraged by this. He straight up lied to the UT faithful saying she stepped down of her own accord.
 
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This doesn't change my opinion of Hart. I couldn't have a lower opinion if I tried.
 
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Ya'll are rough. Hart didn't even allow Pat to make a decision. Had she wanted to continue, and Hart said "No" I woulda had less problem with it rather than what Hart actually did...completely screwing a 30+ year basketball legend preemptively. Lack of consideration, tact, and just a d**k move the way he apparently conducted this situation.
 
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I agree that he shouldn't have left her coaching indefinitely; however, he should have waited until after the season was over. Obviously, he had Holly in mind. He could have let Coach Summitt hear his concerns, then let her get back to him after she consulted with those around her. There was not an obvious time line for a decision if Holly was going to be next. The way he handled the situation is the problem. Now, UT might be facing a serious lawsuit with Jennings, if not, at least a serious PR problem.
 
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Chitownvol1129 said:
Good argument except it is wrong, the Lady Vols were totally self sufficent largely due to the Lady Vol brand and basketball. Nice try, but factually wrong.
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This is completely false - the basketball program breaks even - so it doesn't come close to paying for every other women's sport.

Hart made the correct decision if these allegations are indeed true - which I find hard to believe - but it shows he has the balls to make good decisions for the AD even in times of adversity which bodes well for the impending football coaching search.
 
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