So let's just say that...

[cncchris33]

I was being nice. It is Christmas after all.

Tis the season.

 

[BruinVol]

The trouble with that statement is this; one can argue that at 13-7, with our remaining schedule, we have a good shot to dance.

You are ready to tar and feather him over the difference in one win/loss before Feb. 1st when the end result could still be the same. That just doesn't seem logical to me, and I say that as someone who has publicly stated my lack of support for his future as our coach.

The fact that this isn't the first time its one game that potenially spoils the year. He's out of one game passes IMO

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I guess here is where we differ.

At 13-7 our at large chances are lost IMO. I know you disagree but I just don't see enough quality wins the rest of the way to get there.

WHAT?! So at 13-7, with 10 games remaining our at large chances are gone, wave the white flag? So go 9-1, finish 22-8 and we are headed to the NIT again? Ok, now I know you're simply just trolling.

Beat 2 of the 4(kentucky, florida, Virginia, Lsu) and win all the rest and that puts us back into the at large talk IMO

So you're saying be 14-6, and win the rest and we MAY have a chance to GET BACK INTO THE TALK? We would be 24-6, we almost certainly would be ranked, where are you pulling this crap from Bruin?

 

[cncchris33]

The fact that this isn't the first time its one game that potenially spoils the year. He's out of one game passes IMO

I can see that as an emotional argument, but not as a logical one. The committee doesn't select the field based on emotion, which is where I think your entire argument is based, which isn't necessarily wrong because you are a fan.

 

[BruinVol]

WHAT?! So at 13-7, with 10 games remaining our at large chances are gone, wave the white flag? So go 9-1, finish 22-8 and we are headed to the NIT again? Ok, now I know you're simply just trolling.



So you're saying be 14-6, and win the rest and we MAY have a chance to GET BACK INTO THE TALK? We would be 24-6, we almost certainly would be ranked, where are you pulling this crap from Bruin?

Not win the rest of all the games, just the rest up until February was the context


Here we go with the 9-1 BS again. Zero progress made with a very talented experienced team.

 

[BruinVol]

I can see that as an emotional argument, but not as a logical one. The committee doesn't select the field based on emotion, which is where I think your entire argument is based, which isn't necessarily wrong because you are a fan.

I don't think there is enough quality wins in those last 10 to get us an at large. Without any good wins before

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It's idiotic to expect to see progress from a program????


A subpar first half coupled with a run at the end of the season will show ZERO progress.

Same song same dance and all of a sudden it's what you are hoping for AGAIN!

So going 22-8, making the dance is no progress?

Gotcha.

 

[cncchris33]

I don't think there is enough quality wins in those last 10 to get us am at large. Without any good wins before

Okay...time will tell. Merry Christmas.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

At 14-6 with our remaining schedule we will have a good shot to dance.

Wait, but at 13-7 we have no shot and the seasons lost?

 

[BruinVol]

So going 22-8, making the dance is no progress?

Gotcha.

BTOs approach to CCM reminds me of a kid imagining themselves playing in a big game.

Down 1 10 seconds left

He shoots


he misses!!!


Oh.......


But he was fouled!!


He shoots the free throw and misses


But there was a lane violation.....


He shoots again........




The problem is all these fantasy land ideas sooner or later come crashing down.

 

[BruinVol]

Wait, but at 13-7 we have no shot and the seasons lost?

Look up the criteria of quality wins and get back to me.


We desperatly need one of the 3 road games.

Lsu
Florida
Kentucky


Without one of those no at large IMO

 

[VolsSportsFan]

BTOs approach to CCM reminds me of a kid imagining themselves playing in a big game.

Down 1 10 seconds left

He shoots


he misses!!!


Oh.......


But he was fouled!!


He shoots the free throw and misses


But there was a lane violation.....


He shoots again........




The problem is all these fantasy land ideas sooner or later come crashing down.

Of course you realize the point of this thread was assuming all of these things you keep repeating won't happen DID happen. Not to keep telling everyone they weren't going to happen and why.

 

[BruinVol]

Of course you realize the point of this thread was assuming all of these things you keep repeating won't happen DID happen. Not to keep telling everyone they weren't going to happen and why.

This thread like nearly other others has wondered from its original topic.


I certainly think CCM stays if he gets us to the sweet 16

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I don't think there is enough quality wins in those last 10 to get us an at large. Without any good wins before

There's at least 3. Floridia, and Missouri twice. How many good wins does a team have to have for the NCAA committee to consider you?

 

[Lefteye]

Of course you realize the point of this thread was assuming all of these things you keep repeating won't happen DID happen. Not to keep telling everyone they weren't going to happen and why.

This thread like nearly other others has wondered from its original topic.


I certainly think CCM stays if he gets us to the sweet 16

The thread nazi has spoken. Back to the topic gentlemen.

Just kidding I find the convo to be interesting. please proceed...

 

[SCowlsVOL]

I'm thinking we will end up having to win the sec tourney to get in.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

BTOs approach to CCM reminds me of a kid imagining themselves playing in a big game.

We were 6-4 through the first 10, your hypothetical 13-7 has us 7-3 through the next 10.

That's an improvement of one game, the final 10 is easier than the 2nd 10 (which you have us going 7-3). So at least 7-3, but probably 8-2 in our final 10 it would seem you're saying.

That's a projected record of 20-10 or 21-9, going by what you're saying. This team will be dancing with that record, so I really don't get where you're coming from with the, if we are 13-7 there's no hope and the season is over talk.

 

[volatil]

Dooley was maybe the worst UT football coach in history.

Martin isn't even the worst basketball coach in the past 25 years; he's not even the second worse, and it's debatable he's even 3rd if we're going on record and results.

He was comparing CCM to Dooley not football hires to basketball hires.


One of those "worse" coaches took a sub 500 club to the conference tournament final. Jury is still out on CCM's ranking in the worst BB coach in 25 years.

I did like what I saw last night, so I will have a wait and see approach from now on.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Look up the criteria of quality wins and get back to me.


We desperatly need one of the 3 road games.

Lsu
Florida
Kentucky


Without one of those no at large IMO

I'm thinking it's you that needs to look up the definition of quality win, because Virginia is about as likely to be one as LSU.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

This thread like nearly other others has wondered from its original topic.

Your original post, which started this debate was....if we are 13-7 come February 1st, our RPI would be near or at triple digits, the season would be over, and Martin's a$$ should be fired.

All I was trying to say was at 13-7...our RPI would likely be nowhere near 100, in fact closer to 40 than 100. The season would be far from over, and Martin would still be the coach.

 

[Lefteye]

Merry Christmas ladies and gents
hobos and tramps
cross eyed crickets
and bow legged ants

GBO

 

[BruinVol]

There's at least 3. Floridia, and Missouri twice. How many good wins does a team have to have for the NCAA committee to consider you?

Under our annual 9-1 rise to the top plan. That would be 2 wins there.

Those 2 especially at home wouldn't be enoug.

I have already said that looking at Virginia's first 11 games they don't appear to be a quality win in the end

 

[VolsSportsFan]

He was comparing CCM to Dooley not football hires to basketball hires.


One of those "worse" coaches took a sub 500 club to the conference tournament final. Jury is still out on CCM's ranking in the worst BB coach in 25 years.

I did like what I saw last night, so I will have a wait and see approach from now on.

Huh? He's comparing him to the worst football coach they've ever had. That's insulting to Martin, because as I said, he's not even the worst coach of the past 25 years.

If you seriously think CCM is worse than Houston, then I can only assume you never actually watched a Houston team play. The ONLY reason they were .500 ever was because of his son. You recall his record after his son left?

CCM is also already done better than Peterson.

None of this is anything to really celebrate, but it's still a pretty silly comparison. This place is going way overboard in acting like these are the darkest times of basketball.

 

[volatil]

Huh? He's comparing him to the worst football coach they've ever had. That's insulting to Martin, because as I said, he's not even the worst coach of the past 25 years.

If you seriously think CCM is worse than Houston, then I can only assume you never actually watched a Houston team play. The ONLY reason they were .500 ever was because of his son. You recall his record after his son left?

CCM is also already done better than Peterson.

None of this is anything to really celebrate, but it's still a pretty silly comparison. This place is going way overboard in acting like these are the darkest times of basketball.

Oh I watched Houston's teams. I'm in no way saying he's worse than him.

He was ranking the top 3 worst coaches in 25 years. I merely stated jury is still out where he ranks.

How has he done better than Buzz?

Record?

How many NCAA appearances did both make?

Buzz did bring us Lofton

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Oh I watched Houston's teams. I'm in no way saying he's worse than him.

He was ranking the top 3 worst coaches in 25 years. I merely stated jury is still out where he ranks.

Fair enough but he'd almost have to lose out to catch Houston.