So let's just say that...

[BruinVol]

Adults stick to thier convictions unless there are special circumstances.

This team has zero reason for anybody to change their expectations.

Half season had this 3rd season to prove he had matured as a coach and could get his team to play up to his potential for more than the last half of the season.

IMO(BTOs as well) Anything less than 14-6 proves he failed in that task.

I said from the beginning that if he proved he couldn't do that he should be fired immediately and I am not chancing my stance like others here

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You want to compare Pearl with martin? That is a serious question.

I'm not comparing the 2s resume or asking to, I'm simply baffled by this perception that Pearls offseason his final year or two was a thing of beauty. It was just as bad to watch as a lot of these Martin coached games are, but same as now, I don't care as long as we win.

 

[BruinVol]

If our SEC schedule started differently I could agree, however it starts brutal and sets up for a possible run. At 13-7 this team would be sitting squarely on the bubble heading into the easy part of their schedule. It's a complete joke to fire a coach mid season that has his team on the bubble with 10 games remaining.

You knew darn well what our schedule was when you set that 15-5 mark. In fact the schedule ended up being easier as we didn't play a top 25 team in the Bahamas.

That SEC schedule was done well before you and I stated our expectations

 

[cncchris33]

Posted that after game 1.

I stick to my opinions and don't waiver like some others here that are now "ok" with 13-7.

Zero excuses for changing expectations.


No injuries
Experienced team
Just one constant .......

Just because you said it and stuck with it doesn't make saying it to begin with any less foolish. If I said Butch Jones should be fired on the spot next year if he's lost more than 2 games heading into November, that would be equally as dumb, and me sticking to that opinion won't help its cause.

Firing a coach at midseason if he's 13-7 is not only dumb, but I'd venture to say unprecedented. It. Will. Not. Happen.

 

[BruinVol]

Just because you said it and stuck with it doesn't make saying it to begin with any less foolish. If I said Butch Jones should be fired on the spot next year if he's lost more than 2 games heading into November, that would be equally as dumb, and me sticking to that opinion won't help its cause.

Firing a coach at midseason if he's 13-7 is not only dumb, but I'd venture to say unprecedented. It. Will. Not. Happen.

I agree it won't happen but that won't stop me from leading the cheers.

Again at that point many big money donors are going to start raising their voices. I know this for a fact

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Adults stick to thier convictions unless there are special circumstances.

This team has zero reason for anybody to change their expectations.

Half season had this 3rd season to prove he had matured as a coach and could get his team to play up to his potential for more than the last half of the season.

IMO(BTOs as well) Anything less than 14-6 proves he failed in that task.

I said from the beginning that if he proved he couldn't do that he should be fired immediately and I am not chancing my stance like others here

Are you this dense bruin?

I'm not saying, oh please allow me to change my prediction, I'm begging you.

My prediction was 24-7 and a 5 seed iirc. Obviously at that point that prediction appears likely to be wrong. So if we go 23-8 and get a 6 seed I should have the opinion he should be fired, is that what you're saying?

The prediction thread is a fun way to pass time, I didn't realize that we weren't allowed to follow the season as it went along and be honest about where the team was headed.

At this point, 7-4, we are a bubble team. At 13-7 we would still be a bubble team. Would I prefer to be 16-4, well duh, but I'm trying to be reasonable and judge off what I've seen. At this point of the season, 13-7 or 14-6 is a very likely record come February first, but what you seem to not get is that that's not season over.

We would still be on the bubble, and with a very soft final 10 games it would be very possible to go 9-1 down the stretch and finish at 22-8 or 23-7, you don't fire a coach mid season that is sitting in that position.

I suppose the good thing is, is that you won't be here come February (national signing day).

 

[cncchris33]

Adults stick to thier convictions unless there are special circumstances

Adults also know how to use rational and critical thinking skills based on logic and historical precedent.

Your belief that a coach sitting at 13-7 should be fired on the spot, midseason, shows you exercised none of those "adult" abilities in making that bold assertion.

 

[calban]

I agree it won't happen but that won't stop me from leading the cheers.

Again at that point many big money donors are going to start raising their voices. I know this for a fact

If letting him coach will wake up the big money donors let him coach.
Wish they'd have been awake 3 years ago.

 

[BruinVol]

Adults also know how to use rational and critical thinking skills based on logic and historical precedent.

Your belief that a coach sitting at 13-7 should be fired on the spot, midseason, shows you exercised none of those "adult" abilities in making that bold assertion.

chris

I don't literally think CCM should be fired at that point but I do think a final decision should be made at that point. The wheels should start turning at finding a replacement at that time IMO

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You knew darn well what our schedule was when you set that 15-5 mark. In fact the schedule ended up being easier as we didn't play a top 25 team in the Bahamas.

That SEC schedule was done well before you and I stated our expectations

Correct, as I said my prediction was 15-5. That looks quite unlikely, am I not allowed to look at how we have played and say "Ya know, my prediction is probably wrong. At this point it looks like we are gonna be around 13-7, maybe 14-6."

Is that a crime? I didn't realize this was some prediction that we were stuck to and weren't allowed to admit we were wrong and project where they may go from here.

 

[cncchris33]

I agree it won't happen but that won't stop me from leading the cheers.

Again at that point many big money donors are going to start raising their voices. I know this for a fact

Why wait then? It's obvious you don't believe 13-7 is probable, or likely even possible. Start the lynch mob now and beat the rush.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I agree it won't happen but that won't stop me from leading the cheers.

Again at that point many big money donors are going to start raising their voices. I know this for a fact

And I know for a fact many won't.

As I've said, 13-7 is not hardly some season ending position, you don't seem to understand that.

 

[BruinVol]

Are you this dense bruin?

I'm not saying, oh please allow me to change my prediction, I'm begging you.

My prediction was 24-7 and a 5 seed iirc. Obviously at that point that prediction appears likely to be wrong. So if we go 23-8 and get a 6 seed I should have the opinion he should be fired, is that what you're saying?

The prediction thread is a fun way to pass time, I didn't realize that we weren't allowed to follow the season as it went along and be honest about where the team was headed.

At this point, 7-4, we are a bubble team. At 13-7 we would still be a bubble team. Would I prefer to be 16-4, well duh, but I'm trying to be reasonable and judge off what I've seen. At this point of the season, 13-7 or 14-6 is a very likely record come February first, but what you seem to not get is that that's not season over.

We would still be on the bubble, and with a very soft final 10 games it would be very possible to go 9-1 down the stretch and finish at 22-8 or 23-7, you don't fire a coach mid season that is sitting in that position.

I suppose the good thing is, is that you won't be here come February (national signing day).

I guess here is where we differ.

At 13-7 our at large chances are lost IMO. I know you disagree but I just don't see enough quality wins the rest of the way to get there.

CCM had to perform well enough to get an at large to keep his job IMO.

That's why I see 13-7 being the measuring stick.

Beat 2 of the 4(kentucky, florida, Virginia, Lsu) and win all the rest and that puts us back into the at large talk IMO

 

[BruinVol]

Why wait then? It's obvious you don't believe 13-7 is probable, or likely even possible. Start the lynch mob now and beat the rush.

I expect us to be exactly 13-7 which is vastly underachieving for this team.

We have a real shot at 14-6 which will shut me up

 

[bleedingTNorange]

chris

I don't literally think CCM should be fired at that point but I do think a final decision should be made at that point. The wheels should start turning at finding a replacement at that time IMO

That's idiotic. So if he goes on to make a run down the stretch, which given the schedule is likely, then what? lol. Every AD has a list of guys if they need to make a move, guarantee Hart has one of targets in basketball. I guarantee he also has one if football, that's part of being an AD.

 

[cncchris33]

chris

I don't literally think CCM should be fired at that point but I do think a final decision should be made at that point. The wheels should start turning at finding a replacement at that time IMO

I'd venture a guess at saying they started turning the moment Hart was hired. As an AD, you never rest when it comes to evaluating other coaches "just in case". I'd say after last season's disappointing finish, Dave Hart was probably updating that list. It doesn't necessarily mean he'll act on it February 1st, April 15th, or at any other arbitrary time in the respective near-term.

 

[BruinVol]

I'd venture a guess at saying they started turning the moment Hart was hired. As an AD, you never rest when it comes to evaluating other coaches "just in case". I'd say after last season's disappointing finish, Dave Hart was probably updating that list. It doesn't necessarily mean he'll act on it February 1st, April 15th, or at any other arbitrary time in the respective near-term.

There is a big difference between having a list updated and actually sending our feelers for potential interest.

 

[cncchris33]

I expect us to be exactly 13-7 which is vastly underachieving for this team.

We have a real shot at 14-6 which will shut me up

But until that point, you'll continue beating this dead horse over an arbitrary, self-appointed 7-loss threshold?

Shut you up until when? The next loss?

 

[cncchris33]

There is a big difference between having a list updated and actually sending our feelers for potential interest.

I agree.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I would equate Martin with Dooley-in over his head. Not a very good recruiter or coach. Not a good combination.

Dooley was maybe the worst UT football coach in history.

Martin isn't even the worst basketball coach in the past 25 years; he's not even the second worse, and it's debatable he's even 3rd if we're going on record and results.

 

[BruinVol]

That's idiotic. So if he goes on to make a run down the stretch, which given the schedule is likely, then what? lol. Every AD has a list of guys if they need to make a move, guarantee Hart has one of targets in basketball. I guarantee he also has one if football, that's part of being an AD.

It's idiotic to expect to see progress from a program????


A subpar first half coupled with a run at the end of the season will show ZERO progress.

Same song same dance and all of a sudden it's what you are hoping for AGAIN!

 

[BruinVol]

But until that point, you'll continue beating this dead horse over an arbitrary, self-appointed 7-loss threshold?

Shut you up until when? The next loss?

At 14-6 with our remaining schedule we will have a good shot to dance. I also would expect this team to play well enough to reach that.

I will shut up on the half season stuff if those things happen

 

[cncchris33]

Dooley was maybe the worst UT football coach in history.

Martin isn't even the worst basketball coach in the past 25 years; he's not even the second worse, and it's debatable he's even 3rd if we're going on record and results.

I think you can safely remove the word "maybe" from your opening statement. You won't be judged.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I think you can safely remove the word "maybe" from your opening statement. You won't be judged.

I was being nice. It is Christmas after all.

 

[cncchris33]

At 14-6 with our remaining schedule we will have a good shot to dance.

The trouble with that statement is this; one can argue that at 13-7, with our remaining schedule, we have a good shot to dance.

You are ready to tar and feather him over the difference in one win/loss before Feb. 1st when the end result could still be the same. That just doesn't seem logical to me, and I say that as someone who has publicly stated my lack of support for his future as our coach.