So Much for the SEC Being Down

[hatvol96]

I think the NCAA's have shown our top teams were better than the other conferences top teams. I think the NIT showed one of our mediocre teams was better than any of the other conferences mediocre teams. I guess the ACC/BigEast have better bad teams than the SEC, I don't really know that for sure but if they want to hang their hat on that, more power to them. While the SEC may not have earned the respect of ESPN or Billy Packer, I'm pretty sure they have earned the respect of the Coach K and Jim Calhoun.

So, by that logic, if UCLA or George Mason win it all, the Pac-10 or CAA are the best conference. Interesting.

 

[hatvol96]

well, you would think all these so called experts who on espn every night, talking up how good villanova, conn., etc is would know something we don't. Like it or not, they are creating a media bias. Perception becomes reality.

Everyone begins to think they are good because obviously the "experts" think they are good. They get pushed up in the polls and they get all these seeds. Its a classic case of media bias.

Villanova and UCONN both made regional finals. UCONN had more quality wins over the course of the season than anyone else. I'm not sure how they were overseeded. Did the media help UCONN beat LSU? Did the media cause the SEC to lose the vast majority of its nonconference games against quality opponents?

 

[OWB]

well, you would think all these so called experts who on espn every night, talking up how good villanova, conn., etc is would know something we don't. Like it or not, they are creating a media bias. Perception becomes reality.

The Big East is their largest audience. And by Big East, I mean New York.

 

[WA_Vol]

The Big East is their largest audience. And by Big East, I mean New York.

yes and how many of these journalists went to big east schools, big ten schools, and pac-10 schools. this is all the more reasons why polls are really not a very good tool for evaluating schools, and why the bcs is inherently flawed. at least in basketball the obvious bias comes out for all to see.

 

[WA_Vol]

Villanova and UCONN both made regional finals. UCONN had more quality wins over the course of the season than anyone else. I'm not sure how they were overseeded. Did the media help UCONN beat LSU? Did the media cause the SEC to lose the vast majority of its nonconference games against quality opponents?

yes and if Uconn is so good why during their biggest game of the season did they get beat by a lowly #4 seed? according to the media led polls they should have trounced them. and you want me to believe their is no bias there?

 

[hatvol96]

yes and how many of these journalists went to big east schools, big ten schools, and pac-10 schools. this is all the more reasons why polls are really not a very good tool for evaluating schools, and why the bcs is inherently flawed. at least in basketball the obvious bias comes out for all to see.

ESPN-Skip Bayless-Vanderbilt. Woody Paige-University of Tennessee. Don't know if Gene Woj still works for them, but he's a UT grad. I bet alot of the posters on this board are big Oliver Stone fans and take vacations to Area 51.

 

[utvolpj]

ESPN-Skip Bayless-Vanderbilt. Woody Paige-University of Tennessee. Don't know if Gene Woj still works for them, but he's a UT grad. I bet alot of the posters on this board are big Oliver Stone fans and take vacations to Area 51.

Read the 9/11 thread in the pub. :crazy:

 

[hatvol96]

yes and if Uconn is so good why during their biggest game of the season did they get beat by a lowly #4 seed? according to the media led polls they should have trounced them. and you want me to believe their is no bias there?

So, was it pro-UT bias that had a 5-6 team rated as a preseason #3?

 

[WA_Vol]

ESPN-Skip Bayless-Vanderbilt. Woody Paige-University of Tennessee. Don't know if Gene Woj still works for them, but he's a UT grad. I bet alot of the posters on this board are big Oliver Stone fans and take vacations to Area 51.

ok, so if there are so many journalists from the sec voting in these polls then why did all these "experts" vote the sec down in the polls this year? They have a bias against the sec? its obvious from the tournament at least 2 of the teams from the sec should have got more respect, so why didn't these journalists vote them up? they have a bias against the sec? its either that, or they don't really know any more then the casual fans do. obviously the polls are not very good at evaluating who the best teams are. or do you think the tournament doesnt really decide the best team, and conn was the best team and deserved to be a no. 1 seed.

 

[OWB]

So, was it pro-UT bias that had a 5-6 team rated as a preseason #3?

No. Apparently, that was just stupidity.

 

[hatvol96]

yes and if Uconn is so good why during their biggest game of the season did they get beat by a lowly #4 seed? according to the media led polls they should have trounced them. and you want me to believe their is no bias there?

So, anytime a favored team loses, that proves the media are biased idiots. In the case of UCONN, the media made the perfectly rational assumption that a team with 5 or more future NBA players would be good. If UCONN played G Mason at any other regional site, or if they played them 9 more times, they'd drill them. That's the great thing about the tournament. It's a one shot deal. It's also why it's foolhardy to read too much into the tournament. I'm still waiting for someone to explain what the SEC did during the regular season to deserve any more respect than they received.

 

[hatvol96]

ok, so if there are so many journalists from the sec voting in these polls then why did all these "experts" vote the sec down in the polls this year? They have a bias against the sec? its obvious from the tournament at least 2 of the teams from the sec should have got more respect, so why didn't these journalists vote them up? they have a bias against the sec? its either that, or they don't really know any more then the casual fans do. obviously the polls are not very good at evaluating who the best teams are. or do you think the tournament doesnt really decide the best team, and conn was the best team and deserved to be a no. 1 seed.

Florida was a #2 seed.Please show anything they did in the regular season that indicated they deserved better. They lost twice to South Carolina, for God's sake. LSU lost to UCONN, Cincinnati, Ohio State, and Northern Iowa. So, the media should have disregarded all real evidence and bestowed credit on these teams why? The tournament crowns the champion, period. Are you telling me NC State was better than Houston? Villanova was better than G'Town? The best team doesn't always win the tournament. It's the nature of a single elimination event. Do I think anyone in the country could beat UCONN in a 4 0f 7 series? No. Show some evidence UCONN didn't deserve a #1 seed.

 

[NCGatorBait]

#3 :wink2:

 

[hatvol96]

#3 :wink2:

You are correct. I stand by my question, however.

 

[WA_Vol]

So, was it pro-UT bias that had a 5-6 team rated as a preseason #3?

this is the point i was trying to make to you. these people who are voting in these polls making these selections are only a little bit better then the caual fans. sports like football are totally evaluated based on poll rankings and none of the selection committee, journalists, etc probably picked one team that finished in this years final four.

obviously the bias comes out in the tournament where teams cant hide, but what about in football? when the 2 teams playing for the nc are decided by pollsters? the same pollsters who probably none of whom would have picked one team in the current ncaa final four.

 

[NCGatorBait]

You are correct. I stand by my question, however.

Actually I agree with you...nothing indicated during the regular season that LSU or UF would get hot and make a run during the post season. Both had the potential..but the SEC came into the tourney rated #3 deservingly.

 

[WA_Vol]

Florida was a #2 seed.Please show anything they did in the regular season that indicated they deserved better. They lost twice to South Carolina, for God's sake. LSU lost to UCONN, Cincinnati, Ohio State, and Northern Iowa. So, the media should have disregarded all real evidence and bestowed credit on these teams why? The tournament crowns the champion, period. Are you telling me NC State was better than Houston? Villanova was better than G'Town? The best team doesn't always win the tournament. It's the nature of a single elimination event. Do I think anyone in the country could beat UCONN in a 4 0f 7 series? No. Show some evidence UCONN didn't deserve a #1 seed.

yes i'm telling you ncstate is better then houston. thats why they play the game. when all the marbles are on the table who can step up to the next level. thats what its all about. doing what it takes to win when your playing for everything. ncstate had it, houston didn't. thats they way it should be. it should be decided on the field. winner take all. its not like ncstate played one great game. they played great the whole tournament to even get to that game.

 

[hatvol96]

this is the point i was trying to make to you. these people who are voting in these polls making these selections are only a little bit better then the caual fans. sports like football are totally evaluated based on poll rankings and none of the selection committee, journalists, etc probably picked one team that finished in this years final four.

obviously the bias comes out in the tournament where teams cant hide, but what about in football? when the 2 teams playing for the nc are decided by pollsters? the same pollsters who probably none of whom would have picked one team in the current ncaa final four.

The media don't seed the teams. The NCAA Selection Committee does. All they can do is take what they see in the regular season. You have yet to give a single tangible reason the media should have thought the SEC was any better than they portrayed,

 

[hatvol96]

yes i'm telling you ncstate is better then houston. thats why they play the game. when all the marbles are on the table who can step up to the next level. thats what its all about. doing what it takes to win when your playing for everything. ncstate had it, houston didn't. thats they way it should be. it should be decided on the field. winner take all. its not like ncstate played one great game. they played great the whole tournament to even get to that game.

NC State almost lost to Pepperdine in the first round. If the Waves make their free throws, the Wolfpack would have been done in round 1. They also got the advantage of playing Georgia in the Final Four, whereas Houston drew Louisville. So, according to you, there's no such thing as an upset. the best team always wins. Yeah, right.

 

[hatvol96]

Actually I agree with you...nothing indicated during the regular season that LSU or UF would get hot and make a run during the post season. Both had the potential..but the SEC came into the tourney rated #3 deservingly.

Absolutely.

 

[WA_Vol]

Florida was a #2 seed.Please show anything they did in the regular season that indicated they deserved better. They lost twice to South Carolina, for God's sake. LSU lost to UCONN, Cincinnati, Ohio State, and Northern Iowa. So, the media should have disregarded all real evidence and bestowed credit on these teams why? The tournament crowns the champion, period. Are you telling me NC State was better than Houston? Villanova was better than G'Town? The best team doesn't always win the tournament. It's the nature of a single elimination event. Do I think anyone in the country could beat UCONN in a 4 0f 7 series? No. Show some evidence UCONN didn't deserve a #1 seed.

iyou dont believe the tournamnet decides the best teams? this is the best system in sports today. conn had everthing in their favor, they played the weakest seeds.

again let me ask you the same question, if conn is so good then why did they lose to lsu in their biggest game of the year??? i'm telling you why because when everything was on the line LSU was the best team. the ncaa tourament is the best system we have. your probalbly the only person i have heard of who doesn't think the best team get crowned the national champs.

 

[WA_Vol]

NC State almost lost to Pepperdine in the first round. If the Waves make their free throws, the Wolfpack would have been done in round 1. They also got the advantage of playing Georgia in the Final Four, whereas Houston drew Louisville. So, according to you, there's no such thing as an upset. the best team always wins. Yeah, right.

almost.

its win or lose. both those teams knew what mattered. losing by 1 or 20, its still a loss, and your out of the tournament.

 

[volinasheville]

Florida was a #2 seed.Please show anything they did in the regular season that indicated they deserved better. They lost twice to South Carolina, for God's sake.

Come one Hat - you mean the two time defending NIT champion South Carolina and you aren't impressed.

 

[WA_Vol]

iyou dont believe the tournamnet decides the best teams? this is the best system in sports today. conn had everthing in their favor, they played the weakest seeds.

again let me ask you the same question, if conn is so good then why did they lose to lsu in their biggest game of the year??? i'm telling you why because when everything was on the line LSU was the best team. the ncaa tourament is the best system we have. your probalbly the only person i have heard of who doesn't think the best team get crowned the national champs.

its only an upset because the team the media picked to win lost. thats why its an upset.

if you dont believe the winner is the best and should advance why even play the game. why even have a winner if you dont think they are the best team and should advance.

 

[hatvol96]

iyou dont believe the tournamnet decides the best teams? this is the best system in sports today. conn had everthing in their favor, they played the weakest seeds.

again let me ask you the same question, if conn is so good then why did they lose to lsu in their biggest game of the year??? i'm telling you why because when everything was on the line LSU was the best team. the ncaa tourament is the best system we have. your probalbly the only person i have heard of who doesn't think the best team get crowned the national champs.

What are you talking about? UCONN didn't play LSU in the tournament. If you're going to participate in the debate, kindly join the rest of us here on planet Earth. I guarantee there are plenty of people who don't think the best team always wins a single elimination tournament. Otherwise, nobody would consider any results an upset.