So Much for the SEC Being Down

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(hatvol96 @ Apr 1 said:
So, the four teams that are in Indianapolis were just saving their strength in the regular season? There aren't 10 real quality regular season wins among them. But, obviously, a team that lost to Mississippi State, Wake Forest, and Hofstra twice is one of the four best teams in the country. Yeah, right. I now hope George Mason or UCLA win, so I can see everyone on here Tuesday proclaiming the dominance of the CAA or the Pac-10.
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Yeah your right. We shouldn't have even have had this tournament. We should have just let Villanova play Connecticut for the championship since everyone knows they were the 2 best teams this year.
 
#102
#102
(TheThrill @ Mar 31 said:
Sorry about the oversight of that monumental win by Nova over Bucknell. The point of this thread, I thought, was how the pundits and so-called experts were saying the BigEast, ACC, and Big10 were head and shoulders above the rest, it's obvious they were wrong. While it's true there will always be some upsets in the tourney, I feel if you want to call yourself the best conference you might want to have at least one representative in the Final Four. You are right that the best team doesn't always win, I'm not sure that will be the case this year though.
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Can't imagine why they thought those leagues were better than the SEC. The fact the SEC champ played the Big East champ, as well as the Big 10 champ , and lost to both, I'm sure that didn't play into it. Not one of the Final Four boast a season long resume that indicate they are the best team in the country. Just one of those years. Two years ago, the four best teams reached the Final Four. Last year, the two best teams made it to the finals. That didn't happen this year.
 
#103
#103
(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
Yeah your right. We shouldn't have even have had this tournament. We should have just let Villanova play Connecticut for the championship since everyone knows they were the 2 best teams this year.
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If you had payed any attention to my posts in this thread, instead of aimlessly blathering, you would have seen that I think the great thing about the tournament is that UCONN isn't in the Final Four. Does anyone on this board think they didn't have the most talent? The one and done nature of the tournament keeps it exciting. If George Mason had to try to beat UCONN three more times in a series, they could play from now until 2017 and they wouldn't get there. By the way, I don't think anyone can point to anything that indicates I ever said Villanova was the second best team in the country. Given how good it was the first time, I think a UCONN/LSU championship game would have been dynamite.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 1 said:
If you had payed any attention to my posts in this thread, instead of aimlessly blathering, you would have seen that I think the great thing about the tournament is that UCONN isn't in the Final Four. Does anyone on this board think they didn't have the most talent? The one and done nature of the tournament keeps it exciting. If George Mason had to try to beat UCONN three more times in a series, they could play from now until 2017 and they wouldn't get there. By the way, I don't think anyone can point to anything that indicates I ever said Villanova was the second best team in the country. Given how good it was the first time, I think a UCONN/LSU championship game would have been dynamite.
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aimlessly blathering?? is that what you say about everyone who disagrees with you?

i wasn't referring to you, but all the so-called "experts." your buddies from the sec, who either were picking nova or conn. to win it all. if they would have voted for what you call "the best team" they would have voted conn. and nova to play for it all, like we get with the BCS.

why do you like the tournament, since you dont think the best team in the country wins it? i guess you enjoy coming in and trashing the teams and conferences that do make it to finals, telling everyone how they really aren't the best team or conference in the nation this year :rolleyes:
 
#105
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(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
aimlessly blathering?? is what you say about everyone who disagrees with you.

i wasn't referring to you, but all the so-called "experts," you buddies from the sec, who all either were picking nova or conn. to win it all. if they would have voted for what you call "the best team" they would have voted conn. and nova to play for it all, like we get with the BCS.

I don't understand why you even like the tournament, since you dont think the best team in the country wins it.
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Very simple. The great thing about sports is the unpredictability. Do you actually think the '80 US Hockey team was better than the USSR? That Villanova was better the G'Town in '85, that Penn State was better than Miami in '86, that Seabiscuit was better than War Admiral? You are the one that should hate the tournament. Your obsession with finding the "best" team is ill served by a single elimination event. Logic dictates that a series of games is a much better indication of the comparative quality of two teams. Therefore, if your main concern is that the "best" team always win, you should lobby the NCAA to adopt NBA style playoffs in lieu of the tournament.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 1 said:
Very simple. The great thing about sports is the unpredictability. Do you actually think the '80 US Hockey team was better than the USSR? That Villanova was better the G'Town in '85, that Penn State was better than Miami in '86, that Seabiscuit was better than War Admiral? You are the one that should hate the tournament. Your obsession with finding the "best" team is ill served by a single elimination event. Logic dictates that a series of games is a much better indication of the comparative quality of two teams. Therefore, if your main concern is that the "best" team always win, you should lobby the NCAA to adopt NBA style playoffs in lieu of the tournament.
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i think the real question is, if the ussr was so much better then usa 80 hockey team then why didn't they beat them?

and if the 85 g'town team was so much better then nova in 85, then why didnt they beat them in the biggest game of the year?

thats the problem with all these examples your giving. if these teams were so much better, then why in the biggest games of their careers why didnt they win??

i guess you think the polls should decide who the best teams are? since obviously the best teams can't be counted on to win on the field in their biggest game of the season?
 
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(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
aimlessly blathering?? is that what you say about everyone who disagrees with you?

i wasn't referring to you, but all the so-called "experts." your buddies from the sec, who either were picking nova or conn. to win it all. if they would have voted for what you call "the best team" they would have voted conn. and nova to play for it all, like we get with the BCS.

why do you like the tournament, since you dont think the best team in the country wins it? i guess you enjoy coming in and trashing the teams and conferences that do make it to finals, telling everyone how they really aren't the best team or conference in the nation this year :rolleyes:
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The edited part of the above post makes even less sense than the initial part. It is totally irrelevant who the best team in the country this year is. A tournament is played to decide the champion. 100 years from now, people will remember the champion. Also, while the best team doesn't always win they certainly win their fair share. Actually, I think every year since '99, the best team has won.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Apr 1 said:
The edited part of the above post makes even less sense than the initial part. It is totally irrelevant who the best team in the country this year is. A tournament is played to decide the champion. 100 years from now, people will remember the champion. Also, while the best team doesn't always win they certainly win their fair share. Actually, I think every year since '99, the best team has won.
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look what you doing. you basically making the tournament irrelevant by saving the best team doesn't win it.

your basically saying its just a tournamanent and doesnt reflect who the best team was.

the best team was conn. this year and in houston in 85 or whoever, so this trophy they are given out, claiming its the national championship its not really going to the best team.

i like this system a lot more then the BCS.
 
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#109
Let's go back to 1990 and see how often the best team has won:

1990-UNLV, by the end of the year they were clearly the best team.
1991-Duke -UNLV was the best team, but this wasn't as big an upset as it was portrayed, I'll take my chances with Laettner, Hurley, and Grant Hill on my team.
1992-Duke-Best team, no debate.
1993-UNC-Indiana was the best team until Alan Henderson got injured. Kentucky and Michigan were also very good. Carolina was certainly in the discussion.
1994-Arkansas-Best team won.
1995-UCLA-Best team won.
1996-Kentucky-Head and shoulders the best team.
1997-Arizona-Kansas was by far the best team. Epic choke on their part.
1998-Kentucky-Duke, Carolina, and Arizona were all better. Utah took care of two of them and Duke coughed up an 18 point lead to UK in the regional final.
1999-UCONN-Duke was clearly the best team, but UCONN was very good and hungrier.
2000-Michigan State-The best team. Caveat: Cincinnati was the best team until Kenyon Martin was injured.
2001-Duke-The best team.
2002-Maryland-The best team.
2003-Syracuse- Not the best team, but a hot team with a once in a generation talent, Carmelo Anthony. Kansas was better but not by much.
2004-UCONN-Easily the best team.
2005-Carolina-An NBA roster. Clearly the best team.

So, we were due for a year where the best team didn't win. However, they usually do.
 
#110
#110
(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
i think the real question is, if the ussr was so much better then usa 80 hockey team then why didn't they beat them?

and if the 85 g'town team was so much better then nova in 85, then why didnt they beat them in the biggest game of the year?

thats the problem with all these examples your giving. if these teams were so much better, then why in the biggest games of their careers why didnt they win??

i guess you think the polls should decide who the best teams are? since obviously the best teams can't be counted on to win on the field in their biggest game of the season?
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That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen. Even the players on the '80 US hockey team admit the Soviets were vastly superior. Villanova, especially Rollie Massimino, freely admits they had to have a once in a lifetime performance to beat G'Town. That's the beauty of sport, the best team doesn't always win.
 
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(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
look what you doing. you basically making the tournament irrelevant by saving the best team doesn't win it.

your basically saying its just a tournamanent and doesnt reflect who the best team was.

the best team was conn. this year and in houston in 85 or whoever, so this trophy they are given out, claiming its the national championship its not really going to the best team.

i like this system a lot more then the BCS.
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How does that make the tournament irrelevant? I didn't say the best team NEVER wins it. I said they don't ALWAYS win it. I think if you ask most coaches and people around the game, they'll tell you the same thing. In fact, I'm absolutely certain some pretty good coaches will tell you that.
 
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#113
So who do you think is/was the best team? Seems you're leaning towards UConn. I know they had a great record this year but they were anything but impressive in the tourney. They needed a tremendous comeback to beat none other than Albany, struggled to fend off a mediocre Kentucky team, needed some very creative refereeing to scrape by Wash and lost to CAA powerhouse George Mason. Sometimes the best team has an off game and gets knocked off, but UConn struggled throughout and was not the best team this year.
 
#114
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 31 said:
Not one of the Final Four boast a season long resume that indicate they are the best team in the country. Just one of those years.
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Florida started off with 17 straight wins and was ranked as high as #2 before faltering a bit but coming on strong to win the SEC tourney. For about a month, bracketology had them a #1 seed. Florida may not have had the regard at end of regular season with Memphis, Uconn, and 'nova, but they weren't THAT far off the mark.
 
#115
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(TheThrill @ Apr 1 said:
So who do you think is/was the best team? Seems you're leaning towards UConn. I know they had a great record this year but they were anything but impressive in the tourney. They needed a tremendous comeback to beat none other than Albany, struggled to fend off a mediocre Kentucky team, needed some very creative refereeing to scrape by Wash and lost to CAA powerhouse George Mason. Sometimes the best team has an off game and gets knocked off, but UConn struggled throughout and was not the best team this year.
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For the regular season, UCONN was clearly the best team. They have a roster that people will look back on in five years, when Marcus Wlliams and Rudy Gay are NBA All Stars and Hilton Armstrong, Josh Boone, Rashad Anderson, Denham Brown, and Jeff Adrian are also getting NBA checks, and wonder how in the world they didn't win it. If someone had told me UCONN was going to play as passively and uninspired as they did in the tournament, I would have said there are probably 10-20 teams that could win the tournament. UCONN was the only team I've seen all year with an exceptional depth of talent. LSU, UF, and UCLA would certainly be in that group of 20. I've been promoting the talent at LSU and UF since early in the season. UCLA has great guards and a tremendous coach. That will carry you a long way in tournament play. I'm the first person to admit I'm absolutely flummoxed by George Mason's run.
 
#116
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 31 said:
Very simple. The great thing about sports is the unpredictability. Do you actually think the '80 US Hockey team was better than the USSR? That Villanova was better the G'Town in '85, that Penn State was better than Miami in '86, that Seabiscuit was better than War Admiral? You are the one that should hate the tournament. Your obsession with finding the "best" team is ill served by a single elimination event. Logic dictates that a series of games is a much better indication of the comparative quality of two teams. Therefore, if your main concern is that the "best" team always win, you should lobby the NCAA to adopt NBA style playoffs in lieu of the tournament.
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ANSWER: They were on that particular day! That's all that matters!
Hatvol, don't be so damn dogmatic on everything.
 
#117
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(lawgator1 @ Apr 1 said:
Florida started off with 17 straight wins and was ranked as high as #2 before faltering a bit but coming on strong to win the SEC tourney. For about a month, bracketology had them a #1 seed. Florida may not have had the regard at end of regular season with Memphis, Uconn, and 'nova, but they weren't THAT far off the mark.
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Flroida had had a great regular season. Just not a season that would indicate they're the best team.
 
#122
#122
Ouch, LSU's playing like they spent last night on Bourbon St.
I really didn't think UCLA could shoot this well. Oh well, the SEC still has a shot at the NC.
 
#123
#123
UCLA vs UF should be interesting. Both teams dominated today. If UF can hit the 3's like they did today theyll pull it out. Otherwise i think ucla will win because there D and pimpiness.
 
#124
#124
(ttrogvol @ Apr 1 said:
UCLA vs UF should be interesting. Both teams dominated today. If UF can hit the 3's like they did today theyll pull it out. Otherwise i think ucla will win because there D and pimpiness.
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Obviously I'll be rooting for the Gators but I have no clue who to favor in this game. I felt like Florida would beat Villanova because of the size differential. And I felt like Florida should beat GM based on overall athleticism. I have no feel for how good UCLA is. None.

Go ye mighty Gators!
 
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