So Much for the SEC Being Down

#76
#76
(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
almost.

its win or lose. both those teams knew what mattered. losing by 1 or 20, its still a loss, and your out of the tournament.
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No almost to it. By your theory, the best team ALWAYS wins.
 
#77
#77
(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
its only an upset because the team the media picked to win lost. thats why its an upset.

if you dont believe the winner is the best and should advance why even play the game. why even have a winner if you dont think they are the best team and should advance.
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The fact the best team DOESN'T always win is exactly what makes the NCAA Tournament great. If you want to believe George Mason is a better team than UCONN over the long haul, I'd love to bet some college hoops with you.
 
#78
#78
(hatvol96 @ Mar 31 said:
No almost to it. By your theory, the best team ALWAYS wins.
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how else do you do it? after the game you have a poll and let the media decide if that was really the best team and if they really should advance because it was an upset? come on.
 
#79
#79
(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
its only an upset because the team the media picked to win lost. thats why its an upset.

if you dont believe the winner is the best and should advance why even play the game. why even have a winner if you dont think they are the best team and should advance.
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If you are so certain you're so much smarter than the media, the Selection Committee, NBA scouts, etc. you should simply pull the money out of your retirement fund and bet the opposite of what they say. See how that treats you.
 
#80
#80
(hatvol96 @ Mar 31 said:
The fact the best team DOESN'T always win is exactly what makes the NCAA Tournament great. If you want to believe George Mason is a better team than UCONN over the long haul, I'd love to bet some college hoops with you.
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why do they call them national champions then?

why does the poll that comes out the next week puts the winner ranked no. 1, the loser ranked no.2 and the media decide who should be no. 3 and who no. 4 from the final four, etc.

why has the media never one time voted someone else no. 1 after the tournament????? obviously according to your they were not the best team?
 
#81
#81
(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
how else do you do it? after the game you have a poll and let the media decide if that was really the best team and if they really should advance because it was an upset? come on.
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That's a ridiculous response. The upset makes the tournament exciting. Jim Larranaga would tell you UCONN is better overall than George Mason. The beauty of the tournament is that they only have to be better for 40 minutes.
 
#82
#82
(hatvol96 @ Mar 31 said:
If you are so certain you're so much smarter than the media, the Selection Committee, NBA scouts, etc. you should simply pull the money out of your retirement fund and bet the opposite of what they say. See how that treats you.
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they are the ones calling themselves experts, they are the ones who are paid to give their opinion because of their expertise, they are the ones who do nothing 24/7 exept evaluate talent, teams, coaches, etc. who in here is claiming that? come on? who in here has been on espn lately to evaluate who's going to advance in the final four.
 
#83
#83
(hatvol96 @ Mar 31 said:
That's a ridiculous response. The upset makes the tournament exciting. Jim Larranaga would tell you UCONN is better overall than George Mason. The beauty of the tournament is that they only have to be better for 40 minutes.
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ridiculous?? your the one saying they are not the best team, when they just beat the team you said was better. and i'm the ridiculous one?
 
#84
#84
(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
why do they call them national champions then?

why does the poll that comes out the next week puts the winner ranked no. 1, the loser ranked no.2 and the media decide who should be no. 3 and who no. 4 from the final four, etc.

why has the media never one time voted someone else no. 1 after the tournament????? obviously according to your they were not the best team?
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First, the fact there are polls in a sport with a tournament is silly. Second, that poll is a Coach's poll, which is bound by contract to vote the tourney winner #1. You obviously missed my earlier post which said the purpose of the tournament was to crown a champion. I guess Larry Brown was wrong when he said after his team won it in '88 that he knew his team wasn't the best team in the country, but they were National champions. Coaches know it's a crapshoot, some years the best team wins, some years they don't.
 
#85
#85
look i kind of see your point, and i'm being arguementative.

but the reality is it doesnt matter who you beat in the preseason, or your ranking, it only matter if you win or lose on the day you play. one team can have 10 losses and the other none, but if that team with 10 losses wins, then its the better team and it advances. and it gets ranked higher in the poll at the end of the year.

thats how it is, and thats how it should be. and its a better system then we have in football, because everyone had their chance at winning it all.
 
#86
#86
(oklavol @ Mar 31 said:
ridiculous?? your the one saying they are not the best team, when they just beat the team you said was better. and i'm the ridiculous one?
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Will you send me a tape of the UCONN/LSU NCAA Tournament game? I bet it was a classic. I can't believe I missed it.
 
#87
#87
(hatvol96 @ Mar 31 said:
First, the fact there are polls in a sport with a tournament is silly. Second, that poll is a Coach's poll, which is bound by contract to vote the tourney winner #1. You obviously missed my earlier post which said the purpose of the tournament was to crown a champion. I guess Larry Brown was wrong when he said after his team won it in '88 that he knew his team wasn't the best team in the country, but they were National champions. Coaches know it's a crapshoot, some years the best team wins, some years they don't.
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well i dont really think its silly, because the team that doesnt win it all thats all they get, where they finish in the poll. so obviously its important to them. just ask george mason, if they dont beat lsu. they will remember finishing 4th in 2006 and making the final 4, 100 years from now.

i think what he meant by that is, he didn't have the best talent. obviously he wouldnt trade that team for any other team that year, because they won it all, when everyone else came up short.
 
#88
#88
(hatvol96 @ Mar 31 said:
Will you send me a tape of the UCONN/LSU NCAA Tournament game? I bet it was a classic. I can't believe I missed it.
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if i do will you admit lsu deserves more respect and to be ranked higher then conn at the end of the year.
 
#89
#89
i'm trying to see your point but i think the difference lies in this.

when the tournament starts. in my mind everything else doesnt matter, your poll ranking, who you beat already, your conference, its all washed away and everyone starts with a clean slate. everything you do up to that point is to prepare you for what you do then, in the tournament, because thats all that matters.

and i like the way that is, because all 64 teams cant say they didnt have an opportunity to be national champs that year.
 
#90
#90


As Billy Donovan said the other day after beating Villanova, if you played this same tournament all over again, you'd get four different teams in the Final Four than you have now. Doesn't mean they didn't win their way in. They did. But that is what the tournament is all about. Win and advance. Lose and go home.

Personally, I like the system. One could make the argument that the best team does not always win, and that's true, but the criterion we have chosen to annoint a champion -- and Final Four, Elite Eight, Sweet 16, etc. -- is as good as we can do because it is completely objective.
 
#91
#91
(lawgator1 @ Mar 31 said:
As Billy Donovan said the other day after beating Villanova, if you played this same tournament all over again, you'd get four different teams in the Final Four than you have now. Doesn't mean they didn't win their way in. They did. But that is what the tournament is all about. Win and advance. Lose and go home.

Personally, I like the system. One could make the argument that the best team does not always win, and that's true, but the criterion we have chosen to annoint a champion -- and Final Four, Elite Eight, Sweet 16, etc. -- is as good as we can do because it is completely objective.
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i agree. i think the tourament is the way to decide a champion. i would like to see a 16 or 8 team playoff in the ncaa football like div. II does. then you dont rely on pollster's, everyone is given a opportunity to win it all.
 
#92
#92
I would say that having your regular season conference champ made a 4 seed a slight bit disrespectful. As for UConn and Nova's out of conference wins of note. Nova beat Oklahoma and lost to Texas. UConn beat Indiana, Gonzaga by 2, and LSU by 1 in Connecticut. Not exactly awe-inspiring. I'm not trying to say these teams didn't deserve their 1 seeds, what I'm saying is there is a media bias towards these BigEast and ACC teams. Mainly from ESPN but it was also obvious from CBS's Billy Packers little tirade during the selection show. It just seems to me if they are going to report and commentate on NCAA baskeball they should watch a wider selection of games than Big Monday on ESPN.
 
#93
#93
(TheThrill @ Mar 31 said:
what I'm saying is there is a media bias towards these BigEast and ACC teams.
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The last 5 National Champions have come from those 2 conferences..ofcourse there will be a lil bias. SEC hasn't even had a Final Four team since 2000.
 
#94
#94
(NCGatorBait @ Mar 31 said:
The last 5 National Champions have come from those 2 conferences..ofcourse there will be a lil bias. SEC hasn't even had a Final Four team since 2000.
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To many posters on this board that is irrelevant. If Savannah State joined the SEC, many people on this board would swear they should have been in the tournament.
 
#95
#95
(TheThrill @ Mar 31 said:
I would say that having your regular season conference champ made a 4 seed a slight bit disrespectful. As for UConn and Nova's out of conference wins of note. Nova beat Oklahoma and lost to Texas. UConn beat Indiana, Gonzaga by 2, and LSU by 1 in Connecticut. Not exactly awe-inspiring. I'm not trying to say these teams didn't deserve their 1 seeds, what I'm saying is there is a media bias towards these BigEast and ACC teams. Mainly from ESPN but it was also obvious from CBS's Billy Packers little tirade during the selection show. It just seems to me if they are going to report and commentate on NCAA baskeball they should watch a wider selection of games than Big Monday on ESPN.
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You left out Villanova going to Bucknell, the team that eliminated SEC participant Arkansas, and absolutely murdering the Bison.
 
#96
#96
(lawgator1 @ Mar 31 said:
As Billy Donovan said the other day after beating Villanova, if you played this same tournament all over again, you'd get four different teams in the Final Four than you have now. Doesn't mean they didn't win their way in. They did. But that is what the tournament is all about. Win and advance. Lose and go home.

Personally, I like the system. One could make the argument that the best team does not always win, and that's true, but the criterion we have chosen to annoint a champion -- and Final Four, Elite Eight, Sweet 16, etc. -- is as good as we can do because it is completely objective.
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It is the best system. The fact that the best team doesn't always win makes it so. If the best team always won, the tournament wouldn't be half as much fun.
 
#97
#97
Sorry about the oversight of that monumental win by Nova over Bucknell. The point of this thread, I thought, was how the pundits and so-called experts were saying the BigEast, ACC, and Big10 were head and shoulders above the rest, it's obvious they were wrong. While it's true there will always be some upsets in the tourney, I feel if you want to call yourself the best conference you might want to have at least one representative in the Final Four. You are right that the best team doesn't always win, I'm not sure that will be the case this year though.
 
#99
#99
(TheThrill @ Mar 31 said:
Sorry about the oversight of that monumental win by Nova over Bucknell. The point of this thread, I thought, was how the pundits and so-called experts were saying the BigEast, ACC, and Big10 were head and shoulders above the rest, it's obvious they were wrong. While it's true there will always be some upsets in the tourney, I feel if you want to call yourself the best conference you might want to have at least one representative in the Final Four. You are right that the best team doesn't always win, I'm not sure that will be the case this year though.
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So, the four teams that are in Indianapolis were just saving their strength in the regular season? There aren't 10 real quality regular season wins among them. But, obviously, a team that lost to Mississippi State, Wake Forest, and Hofstra twice is one of the four best teams in the country. Yeah, right. I now hope George Mason or UCLA win, so I can see everyone on here Tuesday proclaiming the dominance of the CAA or the Pac-10.
 
#100
#100
(TheThrill @ Mar 31 said:
Sorry about the oversight of that monumental win by Nova over Bucknell. The point of this thread, I thought, was how the pundits and so-called experts were saying the BigEast, ACC, and Big10 were head and shoulders above the rest, it's obvious they were wrong. While it's true there will always be some upsets in the tourney, I feel if you want to call yourself the best conference you might want to have at least one representative in the Final Four. You are right that the best team doesn't always win, I'm not sure that will be the case this year though.
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I never saw or heard anyone say the ACC was anything but mediocre this year.
 
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