So the committee is officially a joke

[GreyWolf1129]

An 8 team playoff increases the chances of two SEC teams playing each other in the final game. The SEC will still dominate and people will still complain.

Drives the ESPN snowflakes crazy.

Beautiful, isn't it?

Go Vols.

 

[Boca Vol]

I just don't see them going back to 11 regular season games. The smaller schools count on the money from the bigger schools to play those games as bad as they are. Those paydays are huge to the smaller programs.

 

[shotgun83]

I'd like to see top 10 get into playoff with #1 and #2 getting a bye

Either way, I'm sure they can set up a good system.

 

[UTK]

You know, it really is kind of weird that a team that didn't win their conference (Hell they didn't even win their division) are considered national champions.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

You know, it really is kind of weird that a team that didn't win their conference (Hell they didn't even win their division) are considered national champions.

Yeah...think of all those fraudulent Super Bowl champions who didn't win their division either.


The CFP made a system. The system put Bama in the playoff. Bama won the playoff.


I miss anything?


Go Vols.

 

[901king]

That P5 won was over a 4-8 Maryland team as well. Not exactly a resume builder.

Except they beat the 4-8 team by 4 touchdowns while Michigan and Michigan State barely beat said 4-8 team.

When P5 schools won't play UCF, Memphis, et al, the only comparison that can be made to judge how good a team is to compare how "respected" P5 schools fared against the common opponent.

 

[GreveHaller]

Yeah...think of all those fraudulent Super Bowl champions who didn't win their division either.


The CFP made a system. The system put Bama in the playoff. Bama won the playoff.


I miss anything?


Go Vols.

Yep, the fact that ALL division winners get in the NFL post season, then the wild cards are determined.

 

[901king]

Kind of impressed with what Frost accomplished with those kids at UCF but their lack of an out of conference schedule worth even mentioning is what kept them out of the conversation. Many of us knew AU and the GusBus wouldn't get up for that game so we were picking UCF to win it. Let them play a game like that during their regular season though and then they will get more talk about being in the CFP.[/QUOTE]

There in lies the problem. The problem isn't the G5 schools not wanting to play these games, it's the P5 schools. Memphis just inked home/home with Purdue and Missouri. You really think our administration and fans wouldn't rather play UT, Bama, or Arkansas?

The Bamas, Ohio States, and Auburns of the world won't sign a home and home with the likes of UCF, Memphis, or Boise. ESPN won't push for games like this in the regular season because, God forbid, if Memphis beats Alabama in September, Alabama is pretty much done for the season. And yes, Memphis has beaten Alabama in the past. In fact, the last 3 times Memphis played Bama , the results were a 3 point Memphis win, 28 point Bama win, and 3 point Bama win. The two haven't played since.

Memphis just completed a home and home with UCLA. 3 years ago, Memphis played then #10 UCLA to a touchdown in LA, and beat then #25 UCLA at home this year. Memphis is 1-0 all time vs USC. Anyone think UCLA, USC, or any Pac12 school are going to schedule another home and home, or even just home game with Memphis?

Why hasn't UT agreed to starting up a home and home with Memphis or for the Gators/Seminoles/Hurricanes to ink deals with UCF? Anyone? Anyone?

 

[vols-1]

Except they beat the 4-8 team by 4 touchdowns while Michigan and Michigan State barely beat said 4-8 team.

When P5 schools won't play UCF, Memphis, et al, the only comparison that can be made to judge how good a team is to compare how "respected" P5 schools fared against the common opponent.

UCF played Michigan last year and lost 51-14. I'm sure Michigan would be glad to play them again.

 

[JMSqb11]

Except they beat the 4-8 team by 4 touchdowns while Michigan and Michigan State barely beat said 4-8 team.

When P5 schools won't play UCF, Memphis, et al, the only comparison that can be made to judge how good a team is to compare how "respected" P5 schools fared against the common opponent.

P5 schools won't schedule UCF because UCF demands a home and home series, which is crazy. P5 schools don't need to play the likes of Memphis or UCF to get to the Playoff. UCF needs good P5 opponents to make any shot at the playoff.

They should quit demanding a massive ransom on their schedules.

If UCF really wanted to play the big dogs, they should do a one off game on the road. There is no incentive for a big P5 school to play them at home and then go on the road to UCF the following year.

 

[JMSqb11]

Kind of impressed with what Frost accomplished with those kids at UCF but their lack of an out of conference schedule worth even mentioning is what kept them out of the conversation. Many of us knew AU and the GusBus wouldn't get up for that game so we were picking UCF to win it. Let them play a game like that during their regular season though and then they will get more talk about being in the CFP.[/QUOTE]

There in lies the problem. The problem isn't the G5 schools not wanting to play these games, it's the P5 schools. Memphis just inked home/home with Purdue and Missouri. You really think our administration and fans wouldn't rather play UT, Bama, or Arkansas?

The Bamas, Ohio States, and Auburns of the world won't sign a home and home with the likes of UCF, Memphis, or Boise. ESPN won't push for games like this in the regular season because, God forbid, if Memphis beats Alabama in September, Alabama is pretty much done for the season. And yes, Memphis has beaten Alabama in the past. In fact, the last 3 times Memphis played Bama , the results were a 3 point Memphis win, 28 point Bama win, and 3 point Bama win. The two haven't played since.

Memphis just completed a home and home with UCLA. 3 years ago, Memphis played then #10 UCLA to a touchdown in LA, and beat then #25 UCLA at home this year. Memphis is 1-0 all time vs USC. Anyone think UCLA, USC, or any Pac12 school are going to schedule another home and home, or even just home game with Memphis?

Why hasn't UT agreed to starting up a home and home with Memphis or for the Gators/Seminoles/Hurricanes to ink deals with UCF? Anyone? Anyone?

There is no incentive for the likes of UT to go on the road to Memphis, Gators going to UCF or Seminoles going somewhere like USF.

G5 schools need P5 schools on the schedule to make the playoff. P5 schools don't need G5 schools to make the playoff.

These G5 schools need to quit making scheduling demands to have a home and home series. That's the biggest cop out that these schools like Memphis, UCF, and others have had for years. At the end of the day, they are too scared to take the money and go on the road to play a big P5 school knowing they wouldn't get a rematch game the next year at home.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Yep, the fact that ALL division winners get in the NFL post season, then the wild cards are determined.

And there you go. Make the move to 8 teams. All of the P5 conference champs are AQ's, and then divvy up the remaining spots with at least one spot for the highest-ranked G5 team. Let the CFP committee set the seeds, and settle it on the field.


Nothing against the G5, but had that been the case this year, I seriously doubt if anybody would be talking about UCF right now.


Go Vols.

 

[bamawriter]

P5 schools won't schedule UCF because UCF demands a home and home series, which is crazy. P5 schools don't need to play the likes of Memphis or UCF to get to the Playoff. UCF needs good P5 opponents to make any shot at the playoff.

They should quit demanding a massive ransom on their schedules.

If UCF really wanted to play the big dogs, they should do a one off game on the road. There is no incentive for a big P5 school to play them at home and then go on the road to UCF the following year.

This.

Trading home games with a program sporting less than 45k seats at their house does absolutely nothing for a major program. Less than nothing, really, since it would wind up losing money.

 

[GreveHaller]

And there you go. Make the move to 8 teams. All of the P5 conference champs are AQ's, and then divvy up the remaining spots with at least one spot for the highest-ranked G5 team. Let the CFP committee set the seeds, and settle it on the field.


Nothing against the G5, but had that been the case this year, I seriously doubt if anybody would be talking about UCF right now.


Go Vols.

or even better

All P5 Conf champs and the best of conf champ of the G5

No wild cards. If you cant win your conference then you dont deserve a shot at a NC. Its the national championship, not the national beauty contest

 

[GreyWolf1129]

or even better

All P5 Conf champs and the best of conf champ of the G5

No wild cards. If you cant win your conference then you dont deserve a shot at a NC. Its the national championship, not the national beauty contest

We all have our "plan". Mine is an 8-team playoff, which accounts for at least one G5 team, and at least one P5 team that (for example) was 10-1 with a 3 point loss in the conference championship game, but played a top 10 SOS. Most "inclusive", I guess...and I hate that word by the way.

So you drop down to an 11 game regular season, with 8 conference games for all P5 & G5 conferences. That gives the Big 10 an equal shot (they play 9 right now). If a G5 school wants to increase their odds of making it, schedule a game against a P5 school in your 3 "elective" games.

Conference CG is the 12th game (for those who make it), and then no more than 3 playoff games, for a max of 15 games. Right where we are now.

It would work, and the funny thing is that if it would make more money than the current setup, we would already be there. In the end, it's about the Franklins. Not the teams; not about being fair; and definitely not about the fans.

Make it more profitable, and watch the networks, the schools, and the NCAA jump onboard.

 

[vols-1]

Saban was against the playoff when it first started. Nick Saban is a smart guy. And the reason's that he gave are exactly the reasons that everyone is complaining about. He said upfront there would be less importance put on the bowl games and regular season and was correct. Bama had the fourth spot pretty much locked up before the Auburn game and it showed. He also complained last week that the turnaround between playoff games was to short, and he was probably right. The long flight to CA was an disadvantage for Georgia. So Saban is telling you right up front how he is going to game the system, but people don't listen.

-DALLAS — Alabama’s Nick Saban and Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio both came out against potential expansion of the College Football Playoff Wednesday, reiterating their belief that it would make the season too long and further diminish the value of the regular season and bowl games. Saban also said coaches could be viewed as unsuccessful based solely on not reaching the playoffs and made a not-so-veiled reference to former Georgia coach Mark Richt.

Saban references Richt firing as one reason against playoff expansion

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Saban was against the playoff when it first started. Nick Saban is a smart guy. And the reason's that he gave are exactly the reasons that everyone is complaining about. He said upfront there would be less importance put on the bowl games and regular season and was correct. Bama had the fourth spot pretty much locked up before the Auburn game and it showed. He also complained last week that the turnaround between playoff games was to short, and he was probably right. The long flight to CA was an disadvantage for Georgia. So Saban is telling you right up front how he is going to game the system, but people don't listen.

-DALLAS — Alabama’s Nick Saban and Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio both came out against potential expansion of the College Football Playoff Wednesday, reiterating their belief that it would make the season too long and further diminish the value of the regular season and bowl games. Saban also said coaches could be viewed as unsuccessful based solely on not reaching the playoffs and made a not-so-veiled reference to former Georgia coach Mark Richt.

Saban references Richt firing as one reason against playoff expansion

Yes, Nick Saban is a smart guy. Smart enough to know that no matter how good his team or coaching is, the more top-flight teams he has to play, the lesser his chance for winning the NC. He'd much rather only have to win one bowl game, as opposed to two, or maybe three, playoff games. Very smart.

Diminish the value of the bowl games? The "value" is money; plain and simple. When the value starts being diminished, you'll start seeing fewer bowl games. There were what...39 bowl games this year? That's 78 teams, out of 129. So 60% of FBS teams made a bowl this year. Diminished value? Not yet. Diminished interest, maybe (see Auburn, among others), but not diminished value. Bowl games make money, or they go away.

CFB, and in particular P5 coaching has become a "win or else" business. We live in a world of instant gratification. What, you ask, caused that? Money. Trainloads of it, that the FBS schools are making. The only thing that has "diminished" is the longevity of a P5 coach who isn't winning enough games to put his team in the hunt. Ala Mark Richt. Of course Saban referenced Richt; he owned him. Now he has to face the prospect of playing Kirby every year.

Shorten the regular season to 11 games. That takes care of the 15th game that only two teams will play...just like they do now. There are 6 bowls in the current CFP rotation. With an 8-team playoff, all 6 could host a playoff game every year, and then the NC could be at a different (pronounced "NFL") host city. Diminished value? My butt. The CFP playoff aggregate haul might rival the Super Bowl.

And it's awfully curious how a college football playoff is in place for FCS and lower divisions; has been for years; and seems to be working just fine.

Yes, Nick Saban is smart. But he's gaming you and the media, not the system. He'd much rather only have to win one game for a NC, than three against the toughest competition out there.

Very smart.

Go Vols.

 

[bamawriter]

Saban is wrong, in that the bowls were losing significance well before the playoff.

But, I'm against expansion until the semifinals are consistently good games. We've had eight semifinal games so far, and only two ('14 OSU/Bama and '17 UGA/OU) were good to great. The other six were laughers. If we're only going to bat .250, then adding four games every year is not at all interesting to me.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Saban is wrong, in that the bowls were losing significance well before the playoff.

But, I'm against expansion until the semifinals are consistently good games. We've had eight semifinal games so far, and only two ('14 OSU/Bama and '17 UGA/OU) were good to great. The other six were laughers. If we're only going to bat .250, then adding four games every year is not at all interesting to me.

Agreed, but you of all people know that it comes down to the money to be made. By the schools, media outlets, and yes...the bettors. The fans have already proven they'll pony up for tickets. So once they figure it out, and they will, you'll see an 8 team playoff. At the least, 6.

I'm obviously guessing here, but I'll say by 2020, the winds of change are blowing. "Laughers" still make money.

Go Vols.

 

[NashVol11]

Basically, people don’t like Alabama, were hoping the Auburn loss would eliminate them even though they were 11-0, and have been mad ever since that wasn’t the case.

 

[TUSKtimes]

P5 schools won't schedule UCF because UCF demands a home and home series, which is crazy. P5 schools don't need to play the likes of Memphis or UCF to get to the Playoff. UCF needs good P5 opponents to make any shot at the playoff.

They should quit demanding a massive ransom on their schedules.

If UCF really wanted to play the big dogs, they should do a one off game on the road. There is no incentive for a big P5 school to play them at home and then go on the road to UCF the following year.

That is how Boise State became the perennial "fly in the ointment" team that garnered so much press during the Petersen regime. Unfortunately, they just lost every member of a coaching staff that had one great season. I don't think that denotes legendary status just yet and may be impossible to sustain.

Just a suggestion: The power 5 have a playoff. The FCS have a playoff. In that the non-power 5 teams are left out in the cold, just start your own, instead of constantly trying to crash a party that doesn't want you.

 

[901king]

That is how Boise State became the perennial "fly in the ointment" team that garnered so much press during the Petersen regime. Unfortunately, they just lost every member of a coaching staff that had one great season. I don't think that denotes legendary status just yet and may be impossible to sustain.

Just a suggestion: The power 5 have a playoff. The FCS have a playoff. In that the non-power 5 teams are left out in the cold, just start your own, instead of constantly trying to crash a party that doesn't want you.

Boise is not a one hit wonder.

1999 10-3
2000 10-2
2002 12-1
2003 13-1
2004 11-1
2006 13-0
2008 12-1
2009 14-0
2010 12-1
2012 11-2
2014 12-2
2017 11-3

Peterson was the coach from 2006-2013. Boise has had almost 2 decades of highly successful seasons, with 4 different coaches. 3-0 in Fiesta Bowls with 2 different coaches. Hardly a one trick pony, ala Western Michigan two years ago.

As a Memphis alum, I'm a proponent of a Group of 5 playoff. UCF proved this year that there is no scenario that a G5 school crashes the CFP. When the criteria for entry excludes P5 conference champions, there is no way a G5 school ever gets in. There's simply too much money at stake to allow an outlier a piece of the pie.

The G5 ADs need to dissolve all contracts to the crap ass bowl tie ins that cause millions in losses to the schools and create their own 8 team playoff. 5 conference champions, 3 at large. Quarters and semi finals at higher seeded team, championship at Liberty Bowl. What's better TV, SMU vs LaTech on December 10 in the Preparation H Bowl in Monroe, LA with 1,000 people in the stands or Memphis at Boise in a Quarterfinal in a packed stadium? As college football fan, what would you rather see?

 

[TUSKtimes]

Boise is not a one hit wonder.


The G5 ADs need to dissolve all contracts to the crap ass bowl tie ins that cause millions in losses to the schools and create their own 8 team playoff.

That is why I referred to them as perennial "fly in the ointment" team.

Perennial: means to last or exist for an infinite time. Enduring or continuing recurring.

I was contrasting UCF to them.

As far as the playoff is concerned, that is what they should do. None of the big kids want to play with them in the postseason. And soon enough getting the chance to beat one of the bullies in a major bowl won't be enough. Pretty much the reason they just had themselves a parade in DisneyWorld. Beating the barn wasn't enough.

 

[901king]

That is why I referred to them as perennial "fly in the ointment" team.

Perennial: means to last or exist for an infinite time. Enduring or continuing recurring.

I was contrasting UCF to them.

As far as the playoff is concerned, that is what they should do. None of the big kids want to play with them in the postseason. And soon enough getting the chance to beat one of the bullies in a major bowl won't be enough. Pretty much the reason they just had themselves a parade in DisneyWorld. Beating the barn wasn't enough.

Because they tend to lose these games? Check the W-L record of the G5 vs P5 New Years 6 bowl game the last decade.

 

[bamawriter]

Because they tend to lose these games? Check the W-L record of the G5 vs P5 New Years 6 bowl game the last decade.

Those circumstances are usually similar to UCF-Auburn this year. You usually get a Power 5 team that just missed out on their goal against a G5 team playing their Super Bowl. That's not to excuse the Power 5 team for lacking motivation; they are responsible for creating their own motivation. But does the bowl record for the G5 representative suggest that they are equal, or even close to equal, to the top Power 5 teams? I would say no, but perhaps you disagree.