So, this is floating around the Facebook, this morning...

#76
#76
OrangeEmpire said:
He asked about Sauls conversion, it was a Sunday school lesson, and I was about to go on a rant but he would have no idea what I was talking about.

So I asked him what he thouggt, he was caught up in the blindness portion.

This is going to be silly, but we are huge fans of Jeremy Wades River Monsters. I always tell him the horror stories/legends are rooted in truth wuth human flare.

So we talked about what could have caused the blindness. When he gets older Ill rant about Saul being a fraud.

lol :)
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Have you not decided to a certain point about what he is being taught by the church you have chosen to take him to?
 
#78
#78
Gramps said:
Have you not decided to a certain point about what he is being taught by the church you have chosen to take him to?
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Overall I guess our church is liberal by traditional standards.

Ill present my arguments to him as he gets older.

He can believe in whatever he likes.
 
#79
#79
OrangeEmpire said:
Overall I guess our church is liberal by traditional standards.

Ill present my arguments to him as he gets older.

He can believe in whatever he likes.
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I have confidence in you that you will handle this situation in an appropriate manner.

You go on with some BS on the board but I have read enough of your post to believe
you are a good family man who will do whatever you feel is best for your family.
 
#80
#80
PKT_VOL said:
The problem I would have is discerning whether that was the work of God who cared about me or random luck. I guess it's all in the perspective.
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Once or twice I could attribute to luck, more than that and I look elsewhere.
 
#85
#85
Christianity/Islam-both are open to interpretations. If all you look for is violence and justification of its perpertuity, you can find it in either holy book. If you seek peace and understanding, you can find that as well. People see what they want to see. There is no great secret to be found in either book. Faith comes from within oneself.
 
#86
#86
loggervol said:
it's what i believe.
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I think you missed the intent of his question. Did you ask God to save you as in to grant you divine salvation? Or, did you ask God to save you, as in you were in critical condition after being in a car wreck?
 
#87
#87
therealUT said:
I think you missed the intent of his question. Did you ask God to save you as in to grant you divine salvation? Or, did you ask God to save you, as in you were in critical condition after being in a car wreck?
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to be born again.
 
#88
#88
In today's world, it seems as if religion has turned more into an indoctrination process than actual belief. My biggest questions about faith are do I believe what I was taught or do I truly believe? If you grow up in church, how do you know you truly made a free choice to believe and that you're not just doing what you were taught? Thoughts?
 
#90
#90
Weezer said:
In today's world, it seems as if religion has turned more into an indoctrination process than actual belief. My biggest questions about faith are do I believe what I was taught or do I truly believe? If you grow up in church, how do you know you truly made a free choice to believe and that you're not just doing what you were taught? Thoughts?
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It depends on what you consider "indoctrination". Can you be indoctrinated by simply reading propaganda by yourself? The propaganda would be religious scripture in that analogy. Does it have to include human reinforcement? It's just a hard thing to define. Much like the definition of a cult.
 
#92
#92
PKT_VOL said:
It depends on what you consider "indoctrination". Can you be indoctrinated by simply reading propaganda by yourself? The propaganda would be religious scripture in that analogy. Does it have to include human reinforcement? It's just a hard thing to define. Much like the definition of a cult.
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Subjecting children to literature that asserts one certain god, while shielding then from literature that asserts other gods or no god, is indoctrination.
 
#94
#94
therealUT said:
Subjecting children to literature that asserts one certain god, while shielding then from literature that asserts other gods or no god, is indoctrination.
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By your definition, everyone around the world is indoctrinated about almost all aspects of their life.
 
#98
#98
PKT_VOL said:
Disagree.
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Gramps said:
yes it is.
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Do you choose to believe that the sun will come up tomorrow? If you spend all day telling yourself that the sun will not come up tomorrow, do you think that by the end of the day you will believe that the sun will not come up tomorrow?

One can choose to profess belief; that does not mean that one believes. One can choose to go to church; that does not mean that one believes. One can choose to read the Bible; again, that does not mean that one believes.

There are many, particularly many Christians, who want to equate the profession of belief with belief. I surmise that this is because many are instructed that their salvation depends upon belief, yet they do not fully believe. However, if they equate profession of belief with belief, then they can profess their belief and, at the same time, find solace with the hope that they will be saved.
 
#99
#99
I'm with trut. If you have to tell yourself to believe something, you don't truly believe it.
 
#100
#100
i could talk all day about the way i believe.would it make a difference?i just see alot of people expressing their beliefs or the lack of belief in god.op's want me and other people to listen to what they have to say.so,is it to much to ask to listen to what myself or other people have to say about our beliefs.i believe in god and it may not be the same as what other people believe.thats the reason it says that christ is the cornerstone.
 
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