So we move into transition: will Trump be a baby?

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Carl Pickens said:
As divided as the country is right now..... wgaf?
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Wouldn't it be helpful for Trump to offer support (if not congratulations) to Biden so that the incoming administration can be most effective from Day 1? This is not supposed to be about Trump, it is supposed to be about the country's well being. The only reason not to observe the traditions of the transfer are petty on Trump's part.
 
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McDad said:
"Pressure" was never mentioned in the CNN report shortly after it occurred. It became part of the narrative after the fact. Regardless,

I wouldn't classify it as a coup, no. Even if successful, the outcome of the election is unchanged. Feckless coup, imo.
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Yeah, thinking he would try to overturn the election and believing he can turn over the election are two different things. He definitely tried and everybody who called that was right, so I don't really get why you're mocking them/us. Everybody who was saying he would be successful (did anybody think that) will be proven wrong. If people said it will be violent, they will mostly* be proven wrong.

There was leftist violence, and Raffenberger (sp?) got death threats, etc.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, thinking he would try to overturn the election and believing he can turn over the election are two different things. He definitely tried and everybody who called that was right, so I don't really get why you're mocking them/us. Everybody who was saying he would be successful (did anybody think that) will be proven wrong.
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I didn't know you were one of those. If so, you should be mocked. I guess you're thinking Graham was petitioning Georgia on behalf of DJT? He may have been. Trump tried every avenue, some unscrupulous, to secure a victory. He failed. And he is leaving the presidency. In fact, my cynical nature says he did the things openly that other's have done before privately and we never heard of it. That's not a coup. Maybe a soft, half-hearted attempt at a coup. Maybe.
He isn't calling the military to his side. Isn't putting political rivals in the gulag. Everything is going to be fine with the transition. The country is another matter entirely, though.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wouldn't it be helpful for Trump to offer support (if not congratulations) to Biden so that the incoming administration can be most effective from Day 1? This is not supposed to be about Trump, it is supposed to be about the country's well being. The only reason not to observe the traditions of the transfer are petty on Trump's part.
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This is loaded with irony.
 
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I wish we had a better tradition than the outgoing president making nice with the incoming. I
propose on inauguration the new president sashays down the parade route and at the end of the parade the old president walks alone. If he left the presidency by adding to our debt, the crowd is encouraged to throw rotten food, horse turds, and demeaning names at them. That's an inauguration I would be excited to attend.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wouldn't it be helpful for Trump to offer support (if not congratulations) to Biden so that the incoming administration can be most effective from Day 1? This is not supposed to be about Trump, it is supposed to be about the country's well being. The only reason not to observe the traditions of the transfer are petty on Trump's part.
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I think we all need to pray for their ineffectiveness.
 
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McDad said:
I didn't know you were one of those. If so, you should be mocked. I guess you're thinking Graham was petitioning Georgia on behalf of DJT? He may have been. Trump tried every avenue, some unscrupulous, to secure a victory. He failed. And he is leaving the presidency. In fact, my cynical nature says he did the things openly that other's have done before privately and we never heard of it. That's not a coup. Maybe a soft, half-hearted attempt at a coup. Maybe.

He isn't calling the military to his side. Isn't putting political rivals in the gulag. Everything is going to be fine with the transition. The country is another matter entirely, though.
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It seems you just view events differently and assign different meaning. He literally had no cause to try to legally contest the election and he still did it and lied about why he had cause the whole time. He pressured election officials to throw out legal votes. You may not see this as a completely unwarranted attempt to overturn a democratic election but that's exactly how I see it. These are tactics that work for leaders in despotic countries. Just because they don't work for Trump, doesn't mean they are not what they are.

If people said there would be a gulag, then **** 'em. I don't know who you're talking to, tho.
 
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McDad said:
At least some sanity is returning after 4 years of TDS. We've gone from "he will not leave the WH/he will stage a coup and establish a dictatorship" to "will he be a baby when he leaves".

Baby steps.
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No one has ever behaved as immaturely as Trump
 
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n_huffhines said:
It seems you just view events differently and assign different meaning. He literally had no cause to try to legally contest the election and he still did it and lied about why he had cause the whole time. He pressured election officials to throw out legal votes. You may not see this as a completely unwarranted attempt to overturn a democratic election but that's exactly how I see it. These are tactics that work for leaders in despotic countries. Just because they don't work for Trump, doesn't mean they are not what they are.

If people said there would be a gulag, then **** 'em. I don't know who you're talking to, tho.
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I am unconcerned with intention. I am concerned with result. I knew there would be no despotic coup because of our government's inertia. One man against a 27 Trillion pound behemoth doesn't stand a chance.

Does one need cause to file a lawsuit?
He lied. Okay, he lied. So does every politician.

If you want to see it as an attempted coup, it makes no difference to me. All who predicted a successful coup with DJT should re evaluate their judgement.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It seems you just view events differently and assign different meaning. He literally had no cause to try to legally contest the election and he still did it and lied about why he had cause the whole time. He pressured election officials to throw out legal votes. You may not see this as a completely unwarranted attempt to overturn a democratic election but that's exactly how I see it. These are tactics that work for leaders in despotic countries. Just because they don't work for Trump, doesn't mean they are not what they are.

If people said there would be a gulag, then **** 'em. I don't know who you're talking to, tho.
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It is a testament to the stability of the country that pretty much from the beginning nearly every institution rejected Trump's efforts. From the courts to local elections officials, Trump's ticky tack claims were for the most part given the credit they deserve, which is none. I do think Trump was disappointed and maybe even surprised at the lack of enthusiasm within the local, state, and federal governments to bend to his will on this.

It took a little while for some GOP politicians to do the right thing to join in the chorus of the above to reject Trump's irrational gobbledy gook approach to claims of systemic fraud. But I get why guys like Rubio and Cruz hedged and tried to walk a thin line between rolling their eyes at Trump and Giuliani types, whilst also help cling to the innocuous sounding "every legal vote must be counted" mantra --- which is that they plan to run again in 2024 and don't want to offend Trump's base. Or Trump himself.

Better for them to continue to kiss his big white butt in hopes of earning some sort of praise from him later on, when it might help their own careers. But of course they are deluding themselves because Trump has zero loyalty to anyone, nor does he care that they stood by him in any sense of the phrase.
 
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No one likes to lose but his unsurprising behavior has nothing to do with election integrity or good of the nation and everything to do with his whiney little bish feelings.

I never bought into the “he won’t leave” hype. I figured he would throw a tantrum and be a sore loser which is what he has been doing. The legal battle is clearly more about paying campaign debts and one final grift than actually challenging the results.

Trump is really a big wuss. Those who truly know him say as much. He tries to talk tough but when it gets down to it he will back down.

My guess is he goes to Maralago at Christmas or shortly after and doesn’t come back. He will rage tweet during the inauguration about how unfair he was treated. The media will give it attention for a few days and then Donald Trump will cease to be the center of attention that he so desperately craves.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
No one likes to lose but his unsurprising behavior has nothing to do with election integrity or good of the nation and everything to do with his whiney little bish feelings.

I never bought into the “he won’t leave” hype. I figured he would throw a tantrum and be a sore loser which is what he has been doing. The legal battle is clearly more about paying campaign debts and one final grift than actually challenging the results.

Trump is really a big wuss. Those who truly know him say as much. He tries to talk tough but when it gets down to it he will back down.

My guess is he goes to Maralago at Christmas or shortly after and doesn’t come back. He will rage tweet during the inauguration about how unfair he was treated. The media will give it attention for a few days and then Donald Trump will cease to be the center of attention that he so desperately craves.
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I agree with your first half.

Second half is not realistic. More plausible for him to monetize his position in the world by getting back to his roots as a promoter. He will tweet. He will be controversial with his tweets. But as a way of expanding his reach to consumers.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I mean, what constitutes a coup? They can be completely non-violent. Does attempting to pressure election officials into throwing out legal votes count as a coup?
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I would guess no more than counting illegal ones.
 
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He should go scorched earth after the way he was treated for four years.

I see my brother 72 beat me to this idea....
 
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Grand Vol said:
Thread needs more pole.
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