So which team/teams get left out of the playoffs?

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utvolpj said:
Oklahoma St beat OU head to head. How are they the lesser opponent?
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Records don't lie. Ok St is still lesser ranked and has more losses. Therefore not the 2nd best team in the conference. If they had equal records I would support that but Ok also beat Texas so they had the better win.
 
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volfan102455 said:
To be clear I am not an FSU fan, but I do not like seeing a team that was able to overcome the adversity they overcome in the last few games to go 13-0 be bullied by the SEC just because their BEST team (Georgia) couldn't win a game they should have won.
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Why should GA have won the game? GA had a weak schedule and finally played a good team.
 
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DuckinVol said:
Some of y’all act like the regular season is a single elimination tournament…it is not. Some of y’all forget the committee is charged with selecting the best four teams AT THIS MOMENT to compete in the playoffs. All metrics have merit in the discussion, but in the end it’s supposed to be about which four teams are the best today.

No one I’ve heard advocating for FSU says they believe they are one of the best four. Undefeated is a significant data point, but so is schedule and team health. A healthy UGA beats Bama yesterday, but they weren’t healthy and neither is FSU. Bama lost to TX the second game of the year when they were a mess on offense. That matters, but it is not indicative of the Bama team today.

Think of FSU vs Bama as both are right now. Imagine them playing ten times. Which team do you believe wins six or more? Now do the same with TX and Bama.
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Hypothetically, if a team loses 3 games early in the season because they're QB is injured. But that QB comes back later in the season and they're playing the best ball of anyone, does that mean they should be in?
 
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cgrish said:
Well the committee is supposed to pick the 4 best teams, not necessarily the best won loss record.
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It's not quite this simple. If best team I think GA and AL make a very good case (my opinion) to be selected over FSU. I don't think either will.

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  • Strength of schedule
  • Head‐to‐head competition (if it occurred)
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Bassplayer30074 said:
I see the seeding going like this,
1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Texas/Georgia/Alabama
4. Florida State

I’m aware I may catch grief over Fla St due to QB injuries, but how do you leave an undefeated P5 out over 1 loss P5? The arguments can be made in all directions. Glad it’s not up to me to decide. This scenario further proves the need for the expanded playoff.
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1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Texas (Beat Bama at Home)
4. Probably Alabama (Better than UGA but they really loss to AU on that last TD was Offensive Interference) or Ohio State

FSU - If this was Tennessee last year and we had won at USC but lost Hendon, would they have considered the QB status. Yes they would have. They did win their conference but to a team that was beat by UK.
 
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volfan102455 said:
The ACC and SEC played 10 games this year. The ACC won 6 of those games.
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2 against USCjr, non bowl team
1 vs Florida, non bowl team
1 vs Texas a$m , coach fired for performance
1 vs Vandy (enough said)
1 vs LSU Labor Weekend.

That’s 1 decent win.

Recent bad loss Louisville (ACC Champ game) to Kentucky
 
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Who knows what those buffoons will actually decide but I'd roll with the law of transitive properties lol

MI, WAS, FSU should be in as conference champs and undefeated in Power 5 conferences.

Yes, FSU is likely to get stomped without Travis but they have taken care of their business to this point without him.

It's between Bama, GA, and Texas for #4. Bama beat GA, Texas beat Bama.

Put the Longhorns in at 4.
 
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Bama can't get in, kool aid is in concussion protocol...... right.
This seems to be the logic to holding undefeated FSU out for some.
 
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Vols1891 said:
If the objective is to pick the best 4 teams, I think you go with Michigan, Washington, Texas, and Alabama in that order. If your objective is to pick the 4 teams with the best resumes, it’s likely Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Texas.
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Resumes? No
Records? Yes
 
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Final thoughts as we await the outcome - if the SEC is left out it is because of two things -

1. Georgia not taking care of business - This is the number one reason. I think Georgia truly believed they were in, win or lose.
2. The Bama / Saban effect in the SEC. This is the fact that some always feel the need to ensure Bama is in the discussion.

I believe the thought going into this week was that a Bama win gets TWO SEC teams in the CFP and that was the goal of the SEC powers that be and the media that supports the SEC.

But that thought expected certain things to happen.

- FSU to lose (didn't happen)
- Texas to either lose or struggle against Okie State (didn't happen - Texas looked like one of the best if not the best in the nation yesterday)
- Oregon to beat Washington (didn't happen)

The SEC needed at least one, two would be better, of the other teams in the top 4 to lose. That would force the conversation to be around the 1 loss teams and include OSU. Georgia would only fall to 4 if FSU had lost and Oregon had won. Bama would have been placed above Georgia due to the win and Texas either losing or struggling. The fourth team could be Texas or it could be Oregon and I am sure the B1G would be making a pitch for OSU.

The dominos didn't happen. We'll see what the committee says. It will come down to whether they are strong enough to say - sorry SEC, not your year. Other conference champions did what they needed to do.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Final thoughts as we await the outcome - if the SEC is left out it is because of two things -

1. Georgia not taking care of business - This is the number one reason. I think Georgia truly believed they were in, win or lose.
2. The Bama / Saban effect in the SEC. This is the fact that some always feel the need to ensure Bama is in the discussion.

I believe the thought going into this week was that a Bama win gets TWO SEC teams in the CFP and that was the goal of the SEC powers that be and the media that supports the SEC.

But that thought expected certain things to happen.

- FSU to lose (didn't happen)
- Texas to either lose or struggle against Okie State (didn't happen - Texas looked like one of the best if not the best in the nation yesterday)
- Oregon to beat Washington (didn't happen)

The SEC needed at least one, two would be better, of the other teams in the top 4 to lose. That would force the conversation to be around the 1 loss teams and include OSU. Georgia would only fall to 4 if FSU had lost and Oregon had won. Bama would have been placed above Georgia due to the win and Texas either losing or struggling. The fourth team could be Texas or it could be Oregon and I am sure the B1G would be making a pitch for OSU.

The dominos didn't happen. We'll see what the committee says. It will come down to whether they are strong enough to say - sorry SEC, not your year. Other conference champions did what they needed to do.
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And you’re leaving Liberty out? Not fair to them either.
 
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Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I dislike the idea of putting the four best teams in. If a team has gone the distance won their P5 conference and gone undefeated then how do you keep them out even if they lose all their best guys to injuries on the last game of the season. You do the work and win what your supposed to and you should be in. I don’t care about the eyeball test, and if it gives us occasional games like last years UGA vs TCU then so be it. FSU should not get snubbed.
 
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Starchief13VFL said:
Resumes? No
Records? Yes
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Resumes and records are the same thing. I mean the top bullet point for the resumes will be:

Michigan: 13-0, B1G Champions
Washington: 13-0, PAC champions
FSU: 13-0, ACC Champions
Texas: 12-1, Big 12 Champions
Bama: 12-1, SEC champions
Georgia: 12-1, Lost when it mattered.
OSU: 12-1, Lost when it mattered.
Oregon: 11-2, Lost twice when it mattered.
Liberty: 13-0, best non P5 Conference team but did not beat anyone of significance - just won our games when it mattered.

The other points after that:

- Texas: Beat the SEC champion at their place.
- FSU: Showcased resiliency to win with best player on the sidelines.
- Bama: Beat the previous team that was ranked number 1, you know the team that lost when it mattered most.

Edited to add Liberty since I got called out for leaving them out.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Resumes and records are the same thing. I mean the top bullet point for the resumes will be:

Michigan: 13-0, B1G Champions
Washington: 13-0, PAC champions
FSU: 13-0, ACC Champions
Texas: 12-1, Big 12 Champions
Bama: 12-1, SEC champions
Georgia: 12-1, Lost when it mattered.
OSU: 12-1, Lost when it mattered.
Oregon: 11-2, Lost twice when it mattered.

The other points after that:

- Texas: Beat the SEC champion at their place.
- FSU: Showcased resiliency to win with best player on the sidelines.
- Bama: Beat the previous team that was ranked number 1, you know the team that lost when it mattered most.
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No, they are not the same. I believe resumes would include SOS among other factors that aren’t covered in W/L. Much like the business world, when looking at 2 VPs to promote the determining requirements include more than the fact they are both VPs.
 
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Starchief13VFL said:
No, they are not the same. I believe resumes would include SOS among other factors that aren’t covered in W/L. Much like the business world, when looking at 2 VPs to promote the determining requirements include more than the fact they are both VPs.
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But if one VP has had a major misstep (i.e. a LOSS when it mattered), that is a key factor and generally would be the first filter of a list of VPs. In our CFP situation the drill down should be with those 1 loss teams, not the "0" loss teams.
 
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Emperor VOLpatine said:
Actually it would follow the CFP's own precident from last year. Alabama was ranked over Tennessee despite Tennessee beating Bama and LSU the other team to beat Bama because Hendon Hooker was out.
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Both were also 2 loss teams not at all in consideration for the national championship at that point.
 
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