So which team/teams get left out of the playoffs?

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Madscientistvol said:
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I dislike the idea of putting the four best teams in. If a team has gone the distance won their P5 conference and gone undefeated then how do you keep them out even if they lose all their best guys to injuries on the last game of the season. You do the work and win what your supposed to and you should be in. I don’t care about the eyeball test, and if it gives us occasional games like last years UGA vs TCU then so be it. FSU should not get snubbed.
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So you are for Beauty pageants and not a champion of football?
 
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Orange defense said:
Hey, I also can live with that. 4 teams that didn’t get beat.
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Next year a team like Liberty will definitely be in the final 12. I would not be surprised to see the best of those get to the final four. Not sure they can win, but I do think they will be able to compete with 5-12.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Too funny as the team Bama scheduled will be in the SEC next year along with Oklahoma who I believe Bama will have to play.

FSU also scheduled a strong team out of conference, LSU, and beat them. Tennessee has over the years schedules strong out of conference teams like Oklahoma and Oregon has had Florida.

And last year Bama was trying to use that Texas win as a reason WHY they should be in the playoff after losing to TN and LSU. You can't have it both ways.
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Agree... to be fair, there is a team that didn't play a tough OOC schedule that no one is talking about, Michigan. Perhaps Michigan should be left out for that sad OOC schedule.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
So you are for Beauty pageants and not a champion of football?
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And when the "beauty pageant" contestant ends up making the finals (e.g. TCU last year) after beating one of those BEST teams, what are you going to say?

We don't know who the BEST team is until the game is played. Best on Paper sometimes doesn't = best on the field.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Oh so Wake beat Vandy ? Did they beat the better teams or the weak ones ? Sure Fsu beat a struggling LSU team late. That's 1 win. Where is the substance UNC over SC ? Lol let me say that Kentucky beat Divisional Champ in that conference soundly. You can not be serious about the ACC being better than the SEC
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Whether the SEC is better or not (I'd agree that it is better from top to bottom), the fact remains that on the field the SEC didn't get it done against other Power 5 conferences this season. Reality trumps perception in this case.
 
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Idc who gets in as long as GA is out, but it's hard to argue against Bama not making it after knocking off the #1, 2x reigning champs, in the SECCG. If UT was in the same position as Bama, I doubt anyone here would say that UT should not be in the playoffs. Heck, people still thought we should be in last season after losing to them in the regular season.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
So you are for Beauty pageants and not a champion of football?
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No, I’m in favor of the teams that earned it going on to play for a chance at the championship. Should Michigan have jumped the TCU team that beat them into the national championship game last year? They would have likely given UGA a better game because they were better on paper.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
Idc who gets in as long as GA is out, but it's hard to argue against Bama not making it after knocking off the #1, 2x reigning champs, in the SECCG. If UT was in the same position as Bama, I doubt anyone here would say that UT should not be in the playoffs. Heck, people still thought we should be in last season after losing to them in the regular season.
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Bama barely beat a 6 & 6 Auburn team that got beat or blown out by New Mexico State. It was basically a lucky throw the odds were like 99.5 to 0.05 to score. Also the ppl saying Bama was bad when Texas beat them by double digits at Tuscaloosa but just kept getting better. They basically lost to Auburn just last week, so I don't buy it.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
I wanted Alabama to beat Georgia for one reason yesterday. I wanted this whole discussion to blow up this year about is it the best or most resume deserving.

Last year they put TCU in which clearly was not one of the best 4 and the game was terrible.

The reason I wanted the discussion is because next year it will be even more important to get the best 12. Think about it. If next year you pick the 12 with the best resume, then the SEC will probably never get more than 3. Why, because 4-6 teams will all have at least 2 loses even though they will probably be better than then teams who have better resumes. If Oklahoma and Texas were part of the SEC this year as of the last rankings 6 of the 12 teams would be from SEC. No one is going to stand for that.

So I want to see people come out and say moving forward we are looking at best 12 teams and your SOR is part of it but having 0 or 1 loses does not make you part of best 12. Otherwise, Tulane, Liberty and JMU would knock 3 SEC teams out.

Sankey needs to come out and say if we are no longer going by best teams, than the SEC will stay with 8 conference game schedule and we will play no hard out of conference games and we will play as many cupcakes as Michigan and Ohio State play every year to pad our resume.

This debate is even more important to Tennessee fans come next year then it is this year. It is going to become almost impossible to have 0 and probably even 1 loss in the SEC schedule moving forward especially in a 9-conference game schedule.

It must be best 12 teams moving forward or the SEC just screwed themselves with expansion.
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One thing is for sure. Moving forward, gray areas have to be eliminated as much as possible with regard to choosing playoff teams, or the whole thing becomes more of a charade than it already is. There has to be a definitive list of criteria that is used, and that list must be adhered to.

If strength of schedule is less important than W-L, then make that clear. But they never will, because there would be no more out-of-conference Power 4 matchups - why would a school schedule them if a loss would potentially cost them a playoff spot?

Here's the dirty little secret - the NCAA loves the controversy because it keeps CFB on the front burner as a hot topic well beyond the games, and brings a ton of attention. They damn well know fans will continue to watch regardless how outraged they are, probably even more so. It's been this way since the 2-team championship game started in '98, and will be on steroids once the 12-team playoff is here. Count on it.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Next year a team like Liberty will definitely be in the final 12. I would not be surprised to see the best of those get to the final four. Not sure they can win, but I do think they will be able to compete with 5-12.
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Then if we are going to not put best 12 and we are doing beauty pageants then let’s go ahead and go to top 24
 
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Volhoops said:
The issue with the current conference championship games is conferences refuse to have the two best teams in their conferences play in their championship game. Texas, Michigan and Florida State all played teams with double digit rankings and then everyone is supposed to be impressed when they win. Texas and Michigan played mediocre teams that did not deserve to be in the championship game based upon their record and final rankings. That is where more of the arguments now come from. Could Michigan have beaten Ohio St if they had met again ? Texas would have had to face Oklahoma instead of the lesser Ok St.
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What? The Big 12 literally already does that. They’re divisionless and the 2 best conference records go to the conference championship game. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State both ended up with the same conference record of 6-2, and Oklahoma State went/got the nod because they had beaten Oklahoma head-to-head. (Not to mention OU is also a double-digit ranking at 12.)
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Then if we are going to not put best 12 and we are doing beauty pageants the let’s got ahead and go to top 24
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Put the teams that earned their shot in. If the best team in the country underperformed and missed their shot by one game, then so be it. You win what’s in front of you, and if you don’t then you didn’t earn it. You seem to want the beauty pageant teams, I don’t care how pretty they are on paper if they didn’t win what they were supposed to.
 
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BigOrangeFanatic said:
4 best teams in no order: Michigan, UGA, Bama and Texas

4 teams that will make it: Michigan, Washington, FSU, Alabama

4 teams I wish would make it: Michigan, Washington, FSU and Texas

They're not leaving Bama out of the playoff. Sit back and watch. Could also see them putting Texas in there over FSU, but Bama is In. Will be shocked if they're not.
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I agree with your best teams (although Texas and Washington is a tossup), but my guess is you're going to get your wish, which is mine as well. I get the Saban and Alabama power within CFB, but there's no way they can justify Bama over Texas with a straight face.

The ultimate dream scenario is for Michigan then win the whole thing and have to vacate the title due to cheating. Whatever makes the NCAA look the worst is what I hope for at this point.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Umm yes thats likely the guy. They even said that a couple times last night. However the #2 could get healthy enough by then.
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#2 QB was in concussion protocol. There’s a much higher likelihood he plays after a month than the likelihood that he doesn’t.
 
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Madscientistvol said:
Put the teams that earned their shot in. If the best team in the country underperformed and missed their shot by one game, then so be it. You win what’s in front of you, and if you don’t then you didn’t earn it. You seem to want the beauty pageant teams, I don’t care how pretty they are on paper if they didn’t win what they were supposed to.
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No I don’t want the beauty pagent winners. I’m the opposite.

I am saying if they are not going to put the best teams in then why play hard schedules. Pad your schedule. The SEC should go to 5 game schedules and pad the rest of their schedule so they can dominate the CFP-12.

Your comment is miss their shot by 1 game too bad, then you are implying that Liberty undefeated deserves it more than one loss Bama of UGA OR Texas, give me a break.

I say take the coaches poll and let it ride, best 12 voted by coaches and make the coaches vote public.
 
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