Solid Recruiting Class

[SweetasSoda]

Agree. If you were talking to me then you missed my point about 180 degrees.

No, no one in particular.

 

[Ratvol]

I think this class addresses some of our immediate and long term needs. To have a class like this, especially after our W/L record 3 years ago, makes me get really excited. My crystal ball says the next couple of years, recruiting will be top 5.

Go VOLS

 

[LittleVol]

No

Did you not see the great big bold and underlined words?

I don't. I have long said that the coach that turned UT around would be really good at finding underrated 3* guys... they would be much better on game day than NSD as opposed to guys like Butch Jones.

To be plain, my point was that if guys like BigOrangeTrain are right and the recruiting rankings are infallible gospel... then this is a pretty average class. You have some highly rated guys and then you have a bunch of 3* guys.


Personally, I think some of those 3* guys might be significantly underrated. But who am I to argue with such "accurate" predictors of success?

No i did not see any big bold words.

 

[LittleVol]

Yeah it's not the tops of the SEC but it does improve us,which is exciting, and makes it a GOOD class for us.

We have to take steps. Heupel is taking bigger steps than I thought he would, but we still have a ways to go. One class was never going to fix it. Even if we pulled a 2022 TAMU class that doesnt guarentee wins. Build a solid foundation with tons of upside, and that way we can sustain.

Our composite talent is 19th, just above South Carolina. 9th is a big step up. As others have pointed out 1-5 are on one tier of talent. 6-15 are the next, and both is a pretty tight bunch. And we beat 2 teams in the top 5 of talent, LSU and Bama. So even a top 10 class, versus a top 5 or 1, closes the gap.

They better watch out if we ever figure out our defense. Even a top 50 pass defense paired with this run D and offense would be scary good.

Disagree. This is the best class I've seen sign with Tennessee since I've been following them and recruiting.

Program changing QB imo.
3 starting caliber SEC ILBs.
DBs are fast athletic and physical. ALL OF THEM.
Leacock, Seldon, Evans, and Keith add a freaky dimension of fast big dudes on offense.

Hobbs ...freak. Weathersby....dominant
Duncan manchild.

 

[Carp]

That's not true. Their average is higher because they have a bunch of 4* and very few 3*. Come on. That's simple math.

Using the average is really the only relevant thing if you put that much faith in the recruiting sites. I actually think the 247 talent composite is more credible than any single class rating or ranking. You factor out some of the error by looking at 85 players rather than 25. But they have UT 19th when the Vols were actually the 2nd best team in the SEC this year.


That's like saying you should remove a hitter's 10 strikeouts before calculating his average.

Those 5 lowest players are still getting a scholarship and taking up one of your 85 slots.

PS- I don't buy some of these ratings. JUST based on highlights, I've seen 5* players with less impressive video than Keith. He's a 230 lb guy who finds seams, runs behind his pads, and routinely outruns opposing secondaries and guys with angles. Just doesn't look like a 3* RB to me. I never really understood how Sampson could post the numbers he did in LA and end up a 3* either. His play suggests... he should have been higher.

Jalen Smith is posting great numbers in a highly competitive GA HSFB division. Better than guys who have gotten 5* and certainly 4*. I'm OK with his ranking... but believe he will be an early contributor. Similar for Lutrell except his composite says he's the #84 player in GA. According to the recruiting sites, he's a G-5 or FCS level player. Watching his highlights and a few extended video clips... I think he's going to be better than that.

But it is true. Take Florida's top 22 (they're whole class) and our top 22, and we still better. You are penalizing us for having more recruits.

You can't compare averages accurately when the sample size isn't the same.

 

[Carp]

Why our bottom 5? You a cherry picking the stats to make the class look better. It's an average of the full recruitment class, not the average our top 10 vs their top 10.

If you wanted to truly equal out the numbers you would need to randomly select 5 guys. And by random I mean the average of those 5 guys would need to be close to our teams overall average.

Because that's how you would accurately compare 2 classes that have different sizes. A class with higher numbers is automatically going to be skewed more than a class with lower numbers.

If we pulled those bottom 5 schollies, our total points would barely move, but our average would raise nearly 2 points. That shows those extra 5 schollies are bringing down our average but they are having very little affect our total points.

 

[VolFanNC09]

This is the best class is a decade especially on D. We are looking at a transfer OL, possibly a RB, TE and WR. I am actually thinking this class helps keep us in top quadrant of the SEC. Not Bama or Georgia, but not Kentucky or Mizzou.

 

[Carp]

And to stay with a baseball analogy, say you have two players.

Player A goes 40/100 and has a .400 batting average.

Player B goes 10/20 with a .500 batting average.

By average alone, you would say player B was more impressive. That's why simply comparing averages over different sample sizes is not a very good tool.

 

[Winchester73]

I’m of the opinion this class is great. Regardless of the STARS, we are addressing several needs. Some kids both here and other places will never make a real difference so this AVERAGE is important but not defining. Our top 10-12 looks real good for us.

 

[Golfprovol]

No.

I have hesitated to mention this but this class is more average than many might want to admit UNLESS they have 3* that are underrated. According to 247, UT has the 4th best class in the SEC. However if you rank by the average score the Vols have a 90.93. That moves them down to 6th. It moves them from 9th to 14th nationally.

That's still very good but unless some of those 3* turn out to be stars... it isn't as good as some seem to feel.

 

[eskimovol]

You may want to retract that meme with how off the mark you were in your other reply.haha

 

[Golfprovol]

You may want to retract that meme with how off the mark you were in your other reply.haha

Are you saying there are zero people on here who would have that kind of thinking? Unless you happen to read every single post of every single thread (which I do not) telling if someone is serious is not totally possible given the amount of people in here who are 100% negative toward everything the program does.

 

[allvolrecruiting]

And to stay with a baseball analogy, say you have two players.

Player A goes 40/100 and has a .400 batting average.

Player B goes 10/20 with a .500 batting average.

By average alone, you would say player B was more impressive. That's why simply comparing averages over different sample sizes is not a very good tool.

The sample sizes:
Tennessee -- 25 commits
Bama -- 25 commits
Georgia -- 23 commits

Everyone has around the same number of commits lol

 

[eskimovol]

You only needed to read 2 posts, the one they responded to and their own. You Forest Whitakered everyone else and several responses show it, own your flub and maybe stop taking the internet so serious.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

No.

I have hesitated to mention this but this class is more average than many might want to admit UNLESS they have 3* that are underrated. According to 247, UT has the 4th best class in the SEC. However if you rank by the average score the Vols have a 90.93. That moves them down to 6th. It moves them from 9th to 14th nationally.

That's still very good but unless some of those 3* turn out to be stars... it isn't as good as some seem to feel.

Then why is it ranked in the top 10? I am a bit confused. First recruiting is much more granular than just stars as whole numbers. It is not a reach for very high three stars to exceed very low 4 stars with expected deviations of performance in both tiers. That is pretty much how more of the much larger 3 star pool got drafted than the smaller 4 star pool last year when there are more than enough 4 stars to eat up the entire draft.

The star rankings do not come with performance warranties, and I have LONG held that the star rankings should be viewed as probabilities of high level performance, not as a floor for the higher pools, and certainly not as a ceiling for the lower star pools. NFL draft results seem to back this up. Avoid the right 4 stars and select the right 3 stars and life will be good. Our staff is not blindly reaching into that 3 star pool.

 

[youcancallmeAl]

Then why is ranked in the top 10? I am a bit confused. First recruiting is much more granular than just stars as whole numbers. It is not a reach for very high three stars to exceed very low 4 stars with expected deviations of performance in both tiers. That is pretty much how more of the much larger 3 star pool got drafted than the smaller 4 star pool last year when there are more than enough 4 stars to eat up the entire draft.

The star rankings do not come with performance warranties, and I have LONG held that the star rankings should be viewed as probabilities of high level performance, not as a floor for the higher pools, and certainly not as a ceiling for the lower star pools. NFL draft results seem to back this up. Avoid the right 4 stars and select the right 3 stars and life will be good. Our staff is not blindly reaching into that 3 star pool.

A good example is Rick Barnes and his recruitment of underrated 3 stars when he got to Tennessee and built some really good teams with them. Some coaches can see raw, undeveloped talent in a kid before others.

 

[TJSVOLS]

Mr sunshine

But you have to admit he is consistent.

 

[orange_glory]

You should go be a fan of someone else. Bashing this class before any of the players arrive on campus is just plain stupid. You have zero clue how this class will turn out. Tons of five star players bust every single year, trust the staff to fill the needs of the team.....I guarantee they know more than you!

I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[INDEFENSE]

Guntersvol, couldn't have said it better myself.Could be because I get irritated with the "ratings" crowd to the point that I just erase my longwinded thoughts about their "facts" and decide they wouldn't get it anyway, stuck on the numbers given the recruits by people that have never made a damn dime actually recruiting players anywhere EVER. Well said and much calmer than I could have been, after seeing it every year 500 times it has become a peeve of mine and I just decided to let it go.

 

[B81]

I have changed the way I look at recruiting. I pay no attention to the 3 stars. If they develop and play later, great, but most will end up transferring for playing time. You still need them to fill out the roster, but if you are planning on them to play early, you are in trouble.

If you only look at the 5 and 4 stars, you see who will be playing. We are getting 14 players in this class. Do that for 4 years in a row, and you have 60 good players.

The average ranking of the class gets watered down by the 3 stars. We have room on our roster for them, bama, ga, and clemson don’t. Hopefully some develop.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Solid recruiting class? I would say this class is borderline great. I really really like this class. I think I like this one better than last years. It’s not just Nico. I truly believe the staff has gotten some really good players that fit exactly what they are looking for.

 

[tdd]

This is by far the best defensive class we have signed in years. D-line was bolstered last year and a couple more pieces this class. I feel good about where the program is headed. Heupel is doing the recruiting and coaching the right way. From the President, to the Chancellor, to the Athlete Director and to Coach Heupel; we have not been in this good of shape since the Dickey days. Heupel has a plan and this is year 2. It great to be a Vol fan again!!

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

A good example is Rick Barnes and his recruitment of underrated 3 stars when he got to Tennessee and built some really good teams with them. Some coaches can see raw, undeveloped talent in a kid before others.

Yep, good 3 stars, with less physical development at the time they are rated, can pass 4 stars who matured early and already plateaued and were fairly and accurately rated ahead of the late bloomers. 3-5 years of development can change relative position of physical ability and then you have to add in the gamer factor. That can be on a totally different timeline. Admiral is prime example of both. On the other hand, Bone arrived and left advanced.

 

[peaygolf]

It was sarcasm my man. He was making fun of the post he quoted

Uh, he was making fun of what the other goofball said.

 

[swampfoxfan]

No.

I have hesitated to mention this but this class is more average than many might want to admit UNLESS they have 3* that are underrated. According to 247, UT has the 4th best class in the SEC. However if you rank by the average score the Vols have a 90.93. That moves them down to 6th. It moves them from 9th to 14th nationally.

That's still very good but unless some of those 3* turn out to be stars... it isn't as good as some seem to feel.

Take our top 15 recruits and that average is pretty good. That's the group most think will have the earlier impact.