Solo: A Star Wars Story

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FLVOL_79 said:
Have to rewrite the scripts that had Obi-Wan actually being a female in disguise who sneaked into the Jedi Order as a man and rose to the rank of Jedi Master. It was to be the Star Wars equivalent of Boys Don't Cry.
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Was that clever in your head?
 
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Hopefully this means the quality of movies will be better. They need to stop forcing all the overt PC multi-cultural nonsense on the fans and get back to focusing on the stories.

After TLJ, I want to wait for Episode IX to come on video. If I didn't have a kid that will beg me to take him that is exactly what I would do. Some of these movies aren't even Star Wars anymore.
 
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rjd970 said:
Hopefully this means the quality of movies will be better. They need to stop forcing all the overt PC multi-cultural nonsense on the fans and get back to focusing on the stories.

After TLJ, I want to wait for Episode IX to come on video. If I didn't have a kid that will beg me to take him that is exactly what I would do. Some of these movies aren't even Star Wars anymore.
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Yeah but Solo really didn't have that much, especially compared to the last main entry.
 
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rjd970 said:
Hopefully this means the quality of movies will be better. They need to stop forcing all the overt PC multi-cultural nonsense on the fans and get back to focusing on the stories.

After TLJ, I want to wait for Episode IX to come on video. If I didn't have a kid that will beg me to take him that is exactly what I would do. Some of these movies aren't even Star Wars anymore.
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I can understand story criticism like TFA was a reboot of ANH or not being happy with the direction of Luke’s character in TLJ.

I cannot understand criticism over the cast being more diverse. The stories have ZERO to do with the characters gender or earthly cultures. It’s not like they race swapped a previously established character or the story is all about Rey becoming the most powerful female in the galaxy.

If you leave the theater and that is your concern you probably have bigger issues.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I can understand story criticism like TFA was a reboot of ANH or not being happy with the direction of Luke’s character in TLJ.

I cannot understand criticism over the cast being more diverse. The stories have ZERO to do with the characters gender or earthly cultures. It’s not like they race swapped a previously established character or the story is all about Rey becoming the most powerful female in the galaxy.

If you leave the theater and that is your concern you probably have bigger issues.
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Every major new Star Wars property except for one (Rebels): TFA, TLJ, RO, Solo, and Battlefront 2 has had a female lead as the main character or in Solo's case, second main character. I don't necessarily think slight diversification in the roles is bad but that doesn't strike you as even slightly agenda driven? Its obvious that there is an agenda with the new movies. What you think of it is another discussion.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Every major new Star Wars property except for one (Rebels): TFA, TLJ, RO, Solo, and Battlefront 2 has had a female lead as the main character or in Solo's case, second main character. I don't necessarily think slight diversification in the roles is bad but that doesn't strike you as even slightly agenda driven? Its obvious that there is an agenda with the new movies. What you think of it is another discussion.
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The "agenda" is to make money and please shareholders. Trying to make your movies appeal to a broader demographic than just white males is the surest way to do that. There's no political motive here. Like with any business, the motivation is purely monetary.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
The "agenda" is to make money and please shareholders. Trying to make your movies appeal to a broader demographic than just white males is the surest way to do that. There's no political motive here. Like with any business, the motivation is purely monetary.
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Damn capitalism ruining MY Star Wars *hurumph*
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
The "agenda" is to make money and please shareholders. Trying to make your movies appeal to a broader demographic than just white males is the surest way to do that. There's no political motive here. Like with any business, the motivation is purely monetary.
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Yeah, that's working out well.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Every major new Star Wars property except for one (Rebels): TFA, TLJ, RO, Solo, and Battlefront 2 has had a female lead as the main character or in Solo's case, second main character. I don't necessarily think slight diversification in the roles is bad but that doesn't strike you as even slightly agenda driven? Its obvious that there is an agenda with the new movies. What you think of it is another discussion.
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Maybe there is some agenga, but on the flip side, if all those movies had male leads, would you consider it any kind of agenda?
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Trending the wrong way. So much so that they have now halted production of all standalone movies and Kathleen Kennedy will likely be "stepping down".
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I'm not sure I'd called all 3 of those being in the Top 10 all time domestic earners "trending the wrong way".

The halting of standalones is 100% because of Solo, and to chalk that all up to it just being punished because of the direction of the other 3 is to ignore several factors about what lead to it. Heck, from the beginning of this being announced and who was shown to be playing Solo there's been a cloud of "do not want" over it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm not sure I'd called all 3 of those being in the Top 10 all time domestic earners "trending the wrong way".

The halting of standalones is 100% because of Solo, and to chalk that all up to it just being punished because of the direction of the other 3 is to ignore several factors about what lead to it. Heck, from the beginning of this being announced and who was shown to be playing Solo there's been a cloud of "do not want" over it.
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And Solo's struggles are related in part to the TLJ backlash along with other factors such as release date close to TLJ, overall "meh" factor, and Alden Ehrenreich. It has been a cascade effect to come to this point but it is what it is. Ironically, Solo was actually pretty good imo and more people would have enjoyed it had they NOT boycotted it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm not sure I'd called all 3 of those being in the Top 10 all time domestic earners "trending the wrong way".

The halting of standalones is 100% because of Solo, and to chalk that all up to it just being punished because of the direction of the other 3 is to ignore several factors about what lead to it. Heck, from the beginning of this being announced and who was shown to be playing Solo there's been a cloud of "do not want" over it.
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Right. One movie does not make a trend. Say what you want about "The Last Jedi", it was not a disappointment at the box office ($620 million domestically and $1.332 billion worldwide). All the reasons you cited plus a little Star Wars fatigue are to blame. Consider that during the original trilogy and then the prequel trilogy, the movies were all released 3 years apart and there were 16 years in between "Return of the Jedi" and "The Phantom Menace". Essentially, you had 6 movies released in 28 years from "A New Hope" in 1977 to "Revenge of the Sith" in 2005. We have now had 4 movies released in just the last 2 1/2 years.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Yeah, that's working out well.
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You're kidding, right?

The Force Awakens: Production budget - 245 Million. Total global gross - 2.06 Billion

Rogue One: Production Budget -200 Million. Total global gross - 1.056 Billion.

The Last Jedi: Production Budget - 250 Million. Total global gross - 1.31 Billion
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Trending the wrong way. So much so that they have now halted production of all standalone movies and Kathleen Kennedy will likely be "stepping down".
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TLJ outperformed Rogue One. Despite the butthurt by a vocal minority of fans TLJ ended up in the top 10 box office.

There are myriad of factors why Solo underperformed. The very least of which is some perceived agenda by Disney to do anything other than broaden the audience.

My only complaint about Disney’s stewardship of the franchise is lack of overall vision. Unlike Kevin Feige at Marvel who had an endgame in sight with Ifinity War, Kennedy just hired a bunch of directors and thought she could let them do their own thing and it would be magic. There was little to no cohesion as evidenced by Johnson jettisoning a lot of the little things Abrams introduced. Then you have all the director shake ups during filming the spinoffs.

Now they are confused and putting spinoffs on hold. But Feige didn’t flinch when IM2 or Thor 2 underperformed. He saw what was coming and chugged along.

Lucasfilm lacks the vision right now.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm not sure I'd called all 3 of those being in the Top 10 all time domestic earners "trending the wrong way".

The halting of standalones is 100% because of Solo, and to chalk that all up to it just being punished because of the direction of the other 3 is to ignore several factors about what lead to it. Heck, from the beginning of this being announced and who was shown to be playing Solo there's been a cloud of "do not want" over it.
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Exactly. No one wanted this movie. No one was asking for a Han Solo origin film. Also, when Solo released it had only been 4-1/2 months since The Last Jedi had come out, which has been a highly divisive movie among fans. Disney should have waited until December to release Solo instead of releasing it so soon after TLJ, and up against Avengers on top of that. The failure of Solo had nothing to do with some political diversity agenda.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
TLJ outperformed Rogue One. Despite the butthurt by a vocal minority of fans TLJ ended up in the top 10 box office.

There are myriad of factors why Solo underperformed. The very least of which is some perceived agenda by Disney to do anything other than broaden the audience.

My only complaint about Disney’s stewardship of the franchise is lack of overall vision. Unlike Kevin Feige at Marvel who had an endgame in sight with Ifinity War, Kennedy just hired a bunch of directors and thought she could let them do their own thing and it would be magic. There was little to no cohesion as evidenced by Johnson jettisoning a lot of the little things Abrams introduced. Then you have all the director shake ups during filming the spinoffs.

Now they are confused and putting spinoffs on hold. But Feige didn’t flinch when IM2 or Thor 2 underperformed. He saw what was coming and chugged along.

Lucasfilm lacks the vision right now.
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We may never see another franchise with the overall cohesiveness of the Marvel Universe. It is stunning what they have been able to accomplish.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Exactly. No one wanted this movie. No one was asking for a Han Solo origin film. Also, when Solo released it had only been 4-1/2 months since The Last Jedi had come out, which has been a highly divisive movie among fans. Disney should have waited until December to release Solo instead of releasing it so soon after TLJ, and up against Avengers on top of that. The failure of Solo had nothing to do with some political diversity agenda.
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It had a little to do with their “agenda” whether one agrees with it or not, but Solo’s failure at the box office was primarily due to the other reasons you mentioned. I went in expecting mediocrity all the way around, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. So it’s disappointing that it’s come to this.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
It had a little to do with their “agenda” whether one agrees with it or not, but Solo’s failure at the box office was primarily due to the other reasons you mentioned. I went in expecting mediocrity all the way around, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. So it’s disappointing that it’s come to this.
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I think Solo is a very solid 8/10. It's not perfect, but I found it morentertaining than The Last Jedi. I really do think if they had waited to release it in December, it would've done much better in theaters.
 
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The Last Jedi was terrible. Solo was average, but miles better than TLJ. TLJ was on par with the prequel movies. Rogue One was legit good. It has nothing to do with female leads, and everything to do with just outright being bad movies with bad actors.
 
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