Some facts to chew on...

[donsargegolf]

Having spent some time researching the past I found some very interesting numbers the VN can chew on. And these stats mind you are in a league that is weaker now than the late 90's.[ No Spurrier] Points scored in a Season: The first six years of the Sanders era, 2004-378 pts, 2003-365 pts, 2002-296 pts,2001-400 pts, 2000-380 pts, 1999-348 pts for a six year total of 2162. The Last six years of the Cutcliffe era, 1998-431 pts, 1997-428 pts, 1996- 389 pts, 1995-431 pts, 1994-363 pts, 1993-484 pts for a six year total of 2526. Cutcliffe out scores Sanders by 364 points in six seasons. That is an average of 60.6 points more a season for Cutcliffe. On a 12 game season that calculates to 5.05 points per game. And finally, Sanders only hit the 400 point number ONCE[on the nose] and missed 300 point once as well. Cutcliffe hit the 400 number every season but two and NEVER stooped into the 200's. This should be interesting data for those who defend the present offensive braintrust. :wavey:

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 2:15 PM
Having spent some time researching the past I found some very interesting numbers the VN can chew on. And these stats mind you are in a league that is weaker now than the late 90's.[ No Spurrier]  Points scored in a Season: The first six years of the Sanders era, 2004-378 pts, 2003-365 pts, 2002-296 pts,2001-400 pts, 2000-380 pts, 1999-348 pts for a six year total of 2162.  The Last six years of the Cutcliffe era, 1998-431 pts, 1997-428 pts, 1996- 389 pts, 1995-431 pts, 1994-363 pts, 1993-484 pts for a six year total of 2526. Cutcliffe out scores Sanders by 364 points in six seasons. That is an average of 60.6 points more a season for Cutcliffe. On a 12 game season that calculates to 5.05 points per game.  And finally, Sanders only hit the 400 point number ONCE[on the nose] and missed 300 point once as well. Cutcliffe hit the 400 number every season but two and NEVER stooped into the 200's. This should be interesting data for those who defend the present offensive braintrust.  :wavey:

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Sarge it can't be argued. You take into account the higher ranking of our recruiting classes and it is even worse.

 

[patrick]

the truth finally comes out

 

[donsargegolf]

somone has to expose the truth. I am sending these and more data to Hamilton, Fulmer and Sanders today.

 

[donsargegolf]

Does the VN want to see this truth or bury our head in the sand??? Take these facts and spread the facts. Sanders MUST go :bash: :flush:

 

[allvol]

I posted this same info last season. However, it must be noted that in Cutcliffe's 6 seasons as OC (from 1993-98), the scoring average was a hefty 34.95 points per game average and included 2 quarterbacks that finished 2nd in the Heisman voting (Shuler and Manning). He also coached Tee Martin in 1998. Tennessee's record during Cutcliffe's time as OC is 63-11 (85.1%). The season with the worst point total was during Manning's freshman season. Cutcliffe was 4-2 in bowls.

Prior to Cutcliffe, Phil Fulmer was the OC. His scoring average was 30.67 points per game. Tennessee's record was 37-9-2 (79.2%). Fulmer's main qb was Andy Kelly. He also coached Heath Shuler for one season. All 4 seasons that Fulmer was OC, the team averaged over 200+ rushing yards per game. Fulmer's teams only broke 400 points once, during the 1990 season. The other 3 seasons were closer to the 300 point total. Fulmer was 2-1 in bowls.

Randy Sanders has a scoring average of 27.78 points per game over 6 seasons. The Vols record is 57-19 (74%) during that time. Sanders is 3-4 in bowl games. Ironically, his best season points-wise was 2000, when the Vols averaged 32.64 points per game during the regular season but were only 8-3. The season with the best record, 10-2 during the regular season in 2001, the Vols only average 29.58 points. Quarterbacks under Sanders have been Tee Martin, Casey Clausen, Rick Clausen, and Ainge.

Walt Harris was the Vols OC from 1983-88. His average was 25.85 points per game. The Vols record is 47-21-4 (68.1%) during that time. Harris was 4-1 in bowls. His quarterbacks were Alan Cockrell, Tony Robinson, Daryl Dickey, and Jeff Francis.

Basically, Cutcliffes six seasons were Heath Shuler's 2nd place Heisman season, Peyton Manning's four seasons, and Tee Martin.

Prior to Cutcliffe, Fulmer coached Andy Kelly, and Heath Shuler.

After Cutcliffe, Sanders has coached Tee Martin, Casey Clausen, Rick Clausen, and Erik Ainge.

Of the last 3 OCs, who had the best quarterbacks to work with?

 

[Lexvol]

If Spurrier can do it with Danny W. then Sanders should have been able to do it with C. Clausen. He certainly should be able to do it with Ainge.

 

[U-T]

Wait, so now we are telling Sanders he should perform as maybe the greatest coach in the SEC has the last 20 years?

:lol:

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Sep 19, 2005 3:31 PM
If Spurrier can do it with Danny W. then Sanders should have been able to do it with C. Clausen.  He certainly should be able to do it with Ainge.

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Danny W. won the Heisman and at least played in the NFL. Where is C.Clausen? He could not even start in NFLEL.

A smart quarterback can make all the difference (Peyton Manning). A physically gifted quarterback can too (Heath Shuler). But the quarterback has to have at least one aspect. Ainge has the ability, but the coach (ie. CPF) has to 'give' him the team. This 2 quarterback crap is not working. It has never worked.

"If you've got two quarterbacks, you've got no quarterback!"

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:36 PM
Wait, so now we are telling Sanders he should perform as maybe the greatest coach in the SEC has the last 20 years?

:lol:

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What is he getting paid to do, be mediocre? He is doing a hell of a job. :yahoo:

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 2:49 PM
What is he getting paid to do, be mediocre? He is doing a hell of a job. :yahoo:

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You can shrugged off my question didnt ya....no wonder :birgits_giggle:

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:36 PM
Wait, so now we are telling Sanders he should perform as maybe the greatest coach in the SEC has the last 20 years?

:lol:

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He won the freaking Hiesman. That is my point. Casey had comparable arm strength.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:50 PM
You can shrugged off my question didnt ya....no wonder  :birgits_giggle:

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U-T you can make excuses all you want but the fact is that since Sanders has been the OC we have had even HIGHER rated recruiting classes. I don't know if you realize this or not but there is more to an offense than a qb. Higher rated recruiting and less points. hmmmmmm let me ponder that one.

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Sep 19, 2005 2:56 PM
U-T you can make excuses all you want

Excuses are what people are doing when saying it is Sanders fault we lost the game.

I am pointing our facts about OL, WR, and ST.

You all are crying about how those didnt matter yet play calling did.

:dance: :dance: :dance:

 

[OWB]

I'm sick of Sanders period. We are never going to be the team to beat with him there. Forget about the UF game. That's not even the point as far as I'm concerned.

Why are you so happy about having Sanders U-T? I'm seriously curious as to why you defend him and back him. Is it because he is a coach that wears orange or what?

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:50 PM
You can shrugged off my question didnt ya....no wonder  :birgits_giggle:

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Yes I am asking him to perform to that level. If he can't then get his a-- out of town. Need I be any clearer?

 

[U-T]

I defend him from the perspective that he cost us the game.

I have said now....5 times....I thought his game plan sucked.

But it didnt cost us the game. Had our OL blocked, our WR's caught, and our ST didnt force 3 turnovers....we probably win the game.

Sanders philosophy wasn't the best but could have worked a hell of a lot better had other coaches done their job (if RS didnt do his per you guys)

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 3:02 PM
Yes I am asking him to perform to that level.

That does make sense. Unrealistic expectations so you moan after every game.

No wonder :lol:

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Sep 19, 2005 4:00 PM
I'm sick of Sanders period.  We are never going to be the team to beat with him there.  Forget about the UF game.  That's not even the point as far as I'm concerned. 

Why are you so happy about having Sanders U-T?  I'm seriously curious as to why you defend him and back him.  Is it because he is a coach that wears orange or what?

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OWB you just explained 75% of the VN. EVERY offensive coach answers to RS. The blame then goes on RS. :rock:

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 4:03 PM
That does make sense. Unrealistic expectations so you moan after every game.

No wonder  :lol:

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Your a real dumb a--. :shakehead:

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 3:05 PM
Your a real dumb a--. :shakehead:

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You're

:dance2: :dance2: :dance2:

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 5:02 PM
I defend him from the perspective that he cost us the game.

I have said now....5 times....I thought his game plan sucked.

But it didnt cost us the game. Had our OL blocked, our WR's caught, and our ST didnt force 3 turnovers....we probably win the game.

Sanders philosophy wasn't the best but could have worked a hell of a lot better had other coaches done their job (if RS didnt do his per you guys)

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I'm agreeing with you 100% about the special teams screwing this up. I understand it and I know that wasn't Sanders fault.

I'm just curious why the Sanders supporters wouldn't want a great OC at UT. It baffles my mind.

Sure, only losing about 3 games a year is a good year in the SEC, especially when one of those LOSSES is the SECCG, but just imagine what our record could be if we had a high caliber OC calling plays. It might just bump our record up to 1 or 2 losses a year. Maybe one, maybe even none.

Tennessee football is awesome most of the time. It could be even better.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Sep 19, 2005 3:51 PM
He won the freaking Hiesman.  That is my point.  Casey had comparable arm strength.

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You missed my point. If you don't have arm strength, you have to make up for it with brains. Wuerffel was one of the smartest college quarterbacks to ever play in the SEC. I can't really say the same about Clausen. And I don't think he would have seen playing time on a Spurrier coached team. Don't get me wrong, I think Clausen was a good quarterback... but he was not great.

 

[U-T]

We will continue losing games if our offensive line stinks, WR drop passes, and ST stinks...not because of the OC.

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by allvol@Sep 19, 2005 4:08 PM
You missed my point.  If you don't have arm strength, you have to make up for it with brains.  Wuerffel was one of the smartest college quarterbacks to ever play in the SEC.  I can't really say the same about Clausen.  And I don't think he would have seen playing time on a Spurrier coached team.  Don't get me wrong, I think Clausen was a good quarterback... but he was not great.

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Sometimes a coach, not RS, can make a mediocre player great. That is a coaches job, to help athletes overachieve.