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allvol
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:lolabove: You make me laugh comparing Clausen to Wuerrfel. Go back and watch tape on Wuerrfel in college. Then watch all the other Gator QBs after Wuerrfel under Spurrier. He was by far the best QB that Spurrier had at Florida and one of the best college QBs of all time. He read Tennessee's defense like he had the playbook. He would have achieved the same success elsewhere. However, put Clausen in Spurrier's system and he gets yanked the first time he plays. Spurrier doesn't put up with stupid QBs.
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You claimed Wuerrfel's superiority as evidenced by his pro-career vs. Clausen's. My point is that Wuerrfel was giving opportunities in the NFL because he was the heisman winner.
Do you think he would have won the heisman at UT? No way (and not because of ESPN). He played in a offensive scheme designed to generate numbers.
The larger point is that our offensive design is nothing special. There are teams across the country and across divisions with better offensive schemes. Bottomline, RS and the offensive planners haven't done much to distinguish themselves.
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:stop: My thoughts only, not for argument or agreement with anybody. Wholesale changes of coaching staffs with successful programs scare me to death, especially when it involves Tennessee. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. Case in point, Nebraska. They stood behind Dr. Osborn when he couldn't beat Barry Switzer. This went on for 20 years when the Huskers were winning 9-10 games per year. Then finally the breakthrough...3 NC's in 4 years and only 2 losses in 4 years. What led to the breakthrough? Addition of speed to his defense. So after 3 NC's, he retires and Frank Solich takes over and wins 9 games per year but no NC's. So they have him fired and look at what has happened to one of the top 5 programs in the country. Solich needed a little more time.
Personally, I'm careful what I wished for because it may be worse than what I'm giving up. I know we don't want to wait 20 years, but year in and year out under Fulmer, Tennessee has been a force to reckon with. I really believe that the breakthrough is very near. Why mess with it now?
I have a friend who in a fit of frustration gave up his season tix when Majors was there and the program was on the slide. That is now the sickest man I know. He'd give his front seat in hell to have them back now. I'm willing to give Fulmer a chance at pulling it together. Forget about the NC this year, it doesn't look like anybody can beat that Left Coast monster this year anyhow. Just run the table the rest of the way and get a BC bowl. I'd be satisfied.
Personally, I'm careful what I wished for because it may be worse than what I'm giving up. I know we don't want to wait 20 years, but year in and year out under Fulmer, Tennessee has been a force to reckon with. I really believe that the breakthrough is very near. Why mess with it now?
I have a friend who in a fit of frustration gave up his season tix when Majors was there and the program was on the slide. That is now the sickest man I know. He'd give his front seat in hell to have them back now. I'm willing to give Fulmer a chance at pulling it together. Forget about the NC this year, it doesn't look like anybody can beat that Left Coast monster this year anyhow. Just run the table the rest of the way and get a BC bowl. I'd be satisfied.
Originally posted by wncvolfan@Sep 20, 2005 12:17 PM
:stop: My thoughts only, not for argument or agreement with anybody. Wholesale changes of coaching staffs with successful programs scare me to death, especially when it involves Tennessee. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. Case in point, Nebraska. They stood behind Dr. Osborn when he couldn't beat Barry Switzer. This went on for 20 years when the Huskers were winning 9-10 games per year. Then finally the breakthrough...3 NC's in 4 years and only 2 losses in 4 years. What led to the breakthrough? Addition of speed to his defense. So after 3 NC's, he retires and Frank Solich takes over and wins 9 games per year but no NC's. So they have him fired and look at what has happened to one of the top 5 programs in the country. Solich needed a little more time.
Personally, I'm careful what I wished for because it may be worse than what I'm giving up. I know we don't want to wait 20 years, but year in and year out under Fulmer, Tennessee has been a force to reckon with. I really believe that the breakthrough is very near. Why mess with it now?
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I have a friend who in a fit of frustration gave up his season tix when Majors was there and the program was on the slide. That is now the sickest man I know. He'd give his front seat in hell to have them back now. I'm willing to give Fulmer a chance at pulling it together. Forget about the NC this year, it doesn't look like anybody can beat that Left Coast monster this year anyhow. Just run the table the rest of the way and get a BC bowl. I'd be satisfied.
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Wuerrfel was a pin-point accurate quarterback. Clausen was good, but no where near as good as Wuerrfel. Matter of fact, if Wuerrfel had been Tennessee's quarterback last weekend, he would have hit the wide open receivers that Ainge missed all game. He may not have won the Heisman at UT, but he would have finished 2nd (note UT has the most 2nd place finishes in Heisman history). And you don't get "starts" in the NFL just because you won the Heisman, you just get a spot on the bench.... and Gino Torretta didn't even get that.... so don't give me that crap. The NFL is a business, and if your good enough you get paid and if your not you don't. Clausen did not make the NFL because he can't read defenses, is not accurate, and has no arm strength (3 strikes). Wuerrfel made the NFL because he CAN read defenses and IS VERY accurate... his only drawback was his arm strength.
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Let's go back to the premise. Our offensive SYSTEM under RS and PF is not as effective as that of UF (or many other programs).
Wuerffel got starts because the other QB's on the teams were awful as well. If you don't think Wuerffel got more looks and more chances due to 1) coming from a Spurrier offense and 2) the hype from the Heisman you are not in touch with reality. The NFL is a business - they "invested" in Wuerffel and he got "starts" in hopes of gaining a return on the investment. He was a less risky investment due to the points listed above.
Is there any doubt that Peyton is a better QB than Wuerffel? They put up very similar numbers. So if Wuerffel (the less talented QB) was at UT would he put up the same numbers? I say no. We didn't run the type of offense that would create the same opportunities.
Having the most 2nd place Heisman's (3?) is completely unrelated to the chance that Wuerffel would be 2nd place at UT as well. They are completely independent events. Chances are much greater that he wouldn't be second. As a statistical guru, you should know that
Spurrier and UF produced/had many QB's that could pick us a apart. Even the 2 headed monster of Palmer and Johnson picked us apart in the 98 game. The 5 turnovers we caused allowed us to get to overtime. Johnson, Matthews had time in the NFL. Grossman (another one that picked us apart) is there now and predictably sucking. Again, they were drafted and invested in because they showed productivity in college. The SYSTEM at UF gave them opportunities. Our SYSTEM has been less effective. Reading defenses can be coached (by some coaches).
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