Some of these players owe Butch Jones some effort.

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The AU game was going to be mailed in no matter what CBJ and his staff did or did not do. You could see that against Mizzou, I think the Bammer game took a lot out of them, they just showed up for Mizzou and Auburn, it was an easy call. That said I see da Vols playing lights out against Vandy & UK and go bowling. IMO that's where the seniors on this team have had their heads and it has shown during the past few games, but they'll massacre Vandy is my prediction.
 
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When Butch coached at Cincy his players left it all on the field. He will get us there. You can tell by Butch's face that he is more upset about this than I am. He is in the middle of recruiting some of the best players in the country here, so he has to handle this situation with care. Parents are watching.
It doesn't make it less frustrating to watch.
 
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volfan411 said:
I had heard he was looking to redshirt but was glad to see him in the game. #46 came in and looked to be flying to the ball as well. I hope and want to see some of these younger guys at least getting in the games early against Vandy if for nothing more than to give the starters a breather.
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Think about what you just said. #46 came in and flew to the ball... That's Max Arnold... a VERY slow, walk-on S.

Again, if your players WITH speed aren't being coached up and motivated to play like that... then it AIN'T a talent problem.
 
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sjt18 said:
Think about what you just said. #46 came in and flew to the ball... That's Max Arnold... a VERY slow, walk-on S.

Again, if your players WITH speed aren't being coached up and motivated to play like that... then it AIN'T a talent problem.
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I think the one I am referring to was playing LB. He filled the gap late in the game and made a text book tackle but it could have been a safety.

Looked it up and we have a #46 Logan Cavendar on the roster who plays LB.
 
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sjt18 said:
Think about what you just said. #46 came in and flew to the ball... That's Max Arnold... a VERY slow, walk-on S.

Again, if your players WITH speed aren't being coached up and motivated to play like that... then it AIN'T a talent problem.
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You are very uninformed. You make a lot of ASS-umptions...keep up the good work!
 
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vollygirl said:
I wish every thread went like this one. You are guys are actually discussing your points of view, instead of arguing with each other. Kudos to every one of you!!!!

Please pardon this interruption and carry on. :)
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titansvolsfaninga said:
You are very uninformed. You make a lot of ASS-umptions...keep up the good work!
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How'd I know it wouldn't last. :no:
 
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State of the Vols said:
Butch Jones (and his $3 Million per year salary) owes the defensive players and the O-line some coaching!!! :eek:hmy:
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Sorry, this is on about half of the players, not the coaches. They didn't think they could so half of them only half heatedly tried. "They're too fast."

Nobody feels sorry for them. The coaches can't stop Auburn from whipping their butts one on one. The fans can't stop it either. Auburn wasn't going to stop it. Heck they went for it on 4th down inside the red zone with less than 2 minutes to go. No one feels sorry for these guys but themselves.
Life in the SEC is tough in every sport. You better be prepared to compete until the last play.
But we've played a tough schedule. Anyone can show up, but it takes a special breed to show up and compete play after play when the chips are down.
The good news is that there were several players who kept scrapping. A few special players kept manning up and winning more battles than they lost. This team is only as strong as it's weakest links. Butch just has to strengthen those links with tougher steel.
 
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sjt18 said:
Think about what you just said. #46 came in and flew to the ball... That's Max Arnold... a VERY slow, walk-on S.

Again, if your players WITH speed aren't being coached up and motivated to play like that... then it AIN'T a talent problem.
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If you are having to motivate a guy to play hard in front of 100,000 people then he ain't the guy. These guys came out fired up. When the hitting actually started is when the effort diminished.
 
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Any game plan will work, or at least has a chance to work if you are winning your one on one match ups.
 
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State of the Vols said:
Butch Jones (and his $3 Million per year salary) owes the defensive players and the O-line some coaching!!! :eek:hmy:
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Well you may or may not be right , but ....As Butch Jones stood there on the sideline Saturday and watched as the Auburn kick returners continuously passed by him , you would think , that by the 4th or 5th time they ran by him, the thought may have crossed his mind to make a kick coverage adjustment or two ?
 
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We've been down over half a decade now, this program isn't going to turn around overnight like Auburn's did. This mentality will take time to push out of the system. The coaches and the players have to take responsibility.
I just think Butch can afford to allow loafers to continue to get playing time, win or lose. I think he is better off losing with players who are giving their all on every snap, than beating easy team with half effort.
 
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soda23 said:
Well you may or may not be right , but ....As Butch Jones stood there on the sideline Saturday and watched as the Auburn kick returners continuously passed by him , you would think , that by the 4th or 5th time they ran by him, the thought may have crossed his mind to make a kick coverage adjustment or two ?
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I actually think that instead of changing his system because players aren't doing their assignments, he's trying to change the way the players play the game. I think he is trying to teach them from their mistakes. It's a gamble, but it seems to have worked for him in the past.
 
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The only problem I have with what I saw Saturday; again, is players getting by with loafing, and not being physical. That responsibility falls squarely on Butch's shoulders.
 
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Joe Vols said:
I actually think that instead of changing his system because players aren't doing their assignments, he's trying to change the way the players play the game. I think he is trying to teach them from their mistakes. It's a gamble, but it seems to have worked for him in the past.
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So are you actually saying Butch never needs to make adjustments and to just keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results
 
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I do agree that they do need to step up - but some of that comes from being tired and mentally whupped on from playing 3 top 10 teams in a row. Now they have 2 weeks to regroup and play against someone who is in their league so to speak - so no excuses for winning out.
 
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Joe Vols said:
I actually think that instead of changing his system because players aren't doing their assignments, he's trying to change the way the players play the game. I think he is trying to teach them from their mistakes. It's a gamble, but it seems to have worked for him in the past.
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Oh - now I feel ya. You're saying that great coaches continually try to fit round pegs into square holes - even 3/4 of the way through the season. Yeah, right.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
You are very uninformed. You make a lot of ASS-umptions...keep up the good work!
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Nothing you have written here in all of your ignorant blather has come close to proving I was uninformed.

I'm not the one assuming anything. I acknowledge there are roster issues. But I don't stick my head in the sand and just ASS-UME that the coaching is fine... because it isn't.
 
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Joe Vols said:
If you are having to motivate a guy to play hard in front of 100,000 people then he ain't the guy. These guys came out fired up. When the hitting actually started is when the effort diminished.
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Who told him to keep playing those players? And seldom do you have to replace everyone... you just have to prove you are willing to replace SOMEONE who most or all think can't be replaced.

I'd start with Bullard and McCullers. You won't have effort issues out of Saulsberry, O'Brien, or even Clark. You definitely won't have to beg Crowder to play hard or finish his blocks with aggression.

I would much rather have someone giving me all of less talent than someone giving me only some of alot of talent.
 
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Joe Vols said:
I actually think that instead of changing his system because players aren't doing their assignments, he's trying to change the way the players play the game. I think he is trying to teach them from their mistakes. It's a gamble, but it seems to have worked for him in the past.
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I buy that at least partly on O. I don't buy it at all on D.
 
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Joe Vols said:
If Butch gets this entire team to come out and fight against Vandy, then he is little short of a miracle worker. If I were ***** I would have some guys doing nothing but running this entire week. Some of these guys still owe Butch some physical effort from Saturday. Some of those players shouldn't be allowed onto the field to practice until they have repaid Butch for the effort they owed him from Saturday with interest.
As a fan of UT it was painful to watch. As a fan of the game of football it was even worse. The lack of effort some of our players put forth was striking. It was astonishing that division 1 athletes, or coaches would accept such mediocre effort from so many. The most blaring aspect of the game for me was special teams, coverage teams specifically, and then the defense. The offense played the best as a unit, although it wasn't without its fair share of loafers. There were people loafing down field. People dodging blocks. Players loafing and getting steam rolled by Auburn players who were going full speed. It was like watching a boxing match were only one guy is throwing any punches.
We aren't as slow as everyone is saying. We have a lot of players who simply loaf. We have a lot of players who simply don't fight off a block at all. We have a lot if players taking poor angles to the ball. We have a lot of blockers who AVOID contact of any kind getting playing time. How can this happen?
The players who are giving effort are working their tales off, and if I were them I would have a serious heart to heart with the guys who are going through the motions. Our defensive ends played terrible. I know Smith had one great play, but they lost 70% of their battles. Our corners lost 95% of their battles. Our linebackers, even AJ lost 50%. Our defensive linemen lost 70% of theirs.
Our coverage teams were a joke.
To me the most disappointing thing about Saturday was the lack of effort from many of our guys. From a competitive standpoint, I just don't understand how a guy can accept getting his tail whipped play after play and not fight back.
I don't think you can coach fight in a guy, you have to recruit it.
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Whew!!! Joe, I hope you feel better now.:whistling:
 
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