Some of you people just don't get it

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TucsonVol said:
You are right...some of you are idiots!! You go away for a weekend and close your eyes!! Please look at what you are saying!! The defense is worse than last years!!!! I guess you are ok with losing all the time. For the salaries these coaches are being paid, we need a little more effort on defense. Oh yes, Jancek was fired at Georgia because he had no clue about defense......Maybe you can go away for another weekend and all this will just go away.....for me, I want to see IMPROVEMENT for the millions the coaches are getting paid!!!!!!
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Have you noticed the lack of speed? Have you noticed the number of true freshmen that are our best players? Have you noticed the lack of depth? These are problems that great coaching can't overcome. When the other team's "Jimmys" and "Joes" are better than your "Jimmys" and "Joes" and they have more of them, you are going to lose 9 out of 10 times. The "Great" Saban went 6 and 6 his first year and he had more talent and depth than this team.

There is no way that this defense is worse than last year's defense. I'll buy equally bad, maybe. What is your proof that Jancek doesn't have a clue about defense? Please post your resume on here. I want to win just as bad as you; however, it does not happen overnight. Not with the talent level that Tennessee has across the board. I believe that this team has improved and I believe that this program has improved. It has not shown up in wins this year, but I believe that it will show up in the coming years. As for the coach's pay, it is the lay of the land. If they were the highest paid staff in the country, I might concede you that point. You get what you pay for in life and in coaching. Give these guys a chance, they will not disappoint you.
 
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Vol71 said:
Have you noticed the lack of speed? Have you noticed the number of true freshmen that are our best players? Have you noticed the lack of depth? These are problems that great coaching can't overcome. When the other team's "Jimmys" and "Joes" are better than your "Jimmys" and "Joes" and they have more of them, you are going to lose 9 out of 10 times. The "Great" Saban went 6 and 6 his first year and he had more talent and depth than this team.

There is no way that this defense is worse than last year's defense. I'll buy equally bad, maybe. What is your proof that Jancek doesn't have a clue about defense? Please post your resume on here. I want to win just as bad as you; however, it does not happen overnight. Not with the talent level that Tennessee has across the board. I believe that this team has improved and I believe that this program has improved. It has not shown up in wins this year, but I believe that it will show up in the coming years. As for the coach's pay, it is the lay of the land. If they were the highest paid staff in the country, I might concede you that point. You get what you pay for in life and in coaching. Give these guys a chance, they will not disappoint you.
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Not to be too picky but as you like to call him, The "Great" Saban went 6 and 6 his first year.....was actually 7-6
 
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soda23 said:
and Ga's defenses gave up more points than the previous year , every year Jancek was there .
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Huh? He was only there one season as DC. The prior 4 seasons he was the UGA LB coach, unless you are blaming him as LB coach for the entire defense. But I would point out that UGA was 40-12 during his 4 seasons as LB coach from '05-'08, so things wdidn't appear to be going too badly for the dawgs defensively during that period.
 
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I know he was the linebacker coach the first four years , the defense still went down hill every year he was there

and since you seem stuck on only the one year he was there as the DC , that defense gave up more points than any team in the history of UGA's football existence
 
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#156
I know he was the linebacker coach the first four years , the defense still went down hill every year he was there

Why do you suppose Richt would elevate Jancek from LB coach to DC if Jancek was the root of the defensive woes?

and since you seem stuck on only the one year he was there as the DC , that defense gave up more points than any team in the history of UGA's football existence

Actually the year before ('08) UGA gave up an equal amount of points defensively (317) during the regular season. That team had a better record (10-3) than the '09team (8-5) mainly because it had a better offense.

I'm not arguing that Jancek may have struggled his first season as a DC. It can happen to a lot of position coaches who make the transition to DC, or to OC. But he obviously improved as evidenced by his defense at Cincy, which was pretty solid. And right now he is stuck with players who look like they are wearing ankle weights and running in molasses. If we are having this conversation this time next season then I will be the first to agree he needs to go.
 
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soda23 said:
So by the same token , that at 4-6 we are no better than we were this time last year ...

btw I said in the end a loss is a loss . But yes losing 34 -24 to Auburn , 31-27 to Mizzou and 35-21 to Alabama would at least show me this team is competing and getting better . If you can't see and understand that then go ahead and be happy with the azz whippins we are receiving
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At 4-6 we are better than we were last year. Let me explain why.

Talent averages predict not only strength of schedule but ability to win with an accuracy of roughly 70%.

Last year, our talent predicted an ability to win 9 games, and we won 5. We were the biggest under-performer in the SEC. Dooley got fired. Interesting note, an under-performance of about 4 games is the threshhold for a coach getting fired (see Dooley/Chizik/Kiff, etc).

This year our talent predicted an ability to win 7 games and right now we are on track to win 6.

Between the two years, that is a difference of under-performing 4 games, and under-performing 1 game. That 1 game is a Mizzou team who is the largest over-performer in the SEC and possibly in the five major conferences.

Even if we lose every other game this season, we are still less of an under-performer than last year. I believe the numbers show we have a 70% chance to beat Vandy, a 70% chance to beat KY which ultimately means we have about a 49% chance to go bowling.

The first attachment is Tennessee's schedule last year with actual vs. predicted outcomes (yes it also shows Oregon, but that is all I have available at the moment), the second is Tennessee's schedule this year, with only predicted outcomes. Click the link below to see how UT is actually doing vs. those predictions.

If you think this is an incorrect observation, follow this link for an overview of how well talent averages are predicting the SEC this year (I try to keep it updated real time): https://docs.google.com/a/mybloodis...Qgwl-hyfdEpwUHpyWXUzY3JWRFU1Skc1UTRiZ2c&gid=0

As you can see with that link, to date 8 of the 14 teams are performing exactly as talented predicted insofar as seasonal outcomes. Vandy and Ole Miss are trending slightly above, Auburn and UT are trending slightly below. Only Mizzou and Florida are travelling along an arc that is well above or below talent predictions. If you look at individual games, about 80% are predicted exactly as talent would suggest.
 

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#158
Nonsense. You don't get to build your own strawman, knock it down, then pose as owning the argument.

No one looked for a top 10 UT team, or a UT team that would dominate top 10 teams, or necessarily even win one. How conspicuous and utterly typical that you don't once mention the #1 complaint that we aren't merely losing, or merely not competitive, but are getting shower-raped. And there is no discernible improvement anywhere, loss of any perceived mojo from the GA & SC games, and special teams, the entire defense, and the offensive line have back slid.

We can declare recruiting is incredible on signing day, not mid-Nov. There's no reason to think we'll beat Vandy going way, or will - excuse me, WILL - be a top 10 team in 2-3 years. I'm sure everyone hope UT at that level.
To quote you, grow up, temper your own wild extrapolations and stop calling people idiots when you're the guy arguing with yourself.
 
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Gandalf said:
I go away for the weekend, knowing that Auburn is going to dominate on Saturday (but secretly hoping for an upset). I come back and its as if the friggen sky is falling because we lost to yet another top 10 team. We are doing the right things, you silly fans however act like turning a totally crappy program into a legendary one can be done near instantaneously and on willpower alone. First you start drinking koolaid and thinking we can "dominate" (not just beat) top 10 teams, then run around like headless chickens and threaten to commit ritual fan suicide because we got owned as expected. I see some of you idiots even saying KY is going to own us for sure.

NEWSFLASH to some of you people - UT IS NOT A TOP 10 TEAM THIS YEAR no matter who is coaching it. Considering this schedule and the lack of depth we have at almost any position, its amazing we have done what we have done so far.

Now I know we all hoped Coach Jones would make some major improvements this year in spite of the garbage heap he was given and the nations most brutal schedule. IMHO he has done so. Out of 10 games so far, 5 have been Top 10 teams and 2 more have been Top 20. Astonishingly, we actually pulled off an upset of a #11 team and allllllmost did so for a #6. But we arent going to upset many or we would actually BE a top 10 team.

I am happy with seeing our offense continue to grow and see that we have some really decent possibilities next year at QB and receivers who can get open even if they havent yet learned to catch the ball. Defense needs some help but then its harder to gauge when they are on the field the whole game against top teams with no replacements. Recruiting is phenomenal, considering our past couple of years.

Now Vandy is not going to be candy this year and only has KY between us and game day but with us getting some rest after playing the friggen giant schedule I think we should be able to be up 3-7 against them and beat KY by 14. That is a real test for us but as decent as Vandy is this year, I think its going to seem like running downhill after what we have been through the last 3 weeks.

At the beginning of the year, any clear eyed analyst would be very happy with the prospect of 6-6 and one big upset. Of course, we thought Auburn would be a walkover this year and nope, even they kickass. So considering - if we go 6-6 this year and head to a bowl game, give all the true freshmen and people time to actually learn new systems, recruit like we are doing right now - in 2-3 years this team WILL be a top 10 team again and a very solid program. Jones is not Dooley part Deux (he has been a winner on his own and not just the son of one). Until then, grow the heck up and temper your expectations with some reality.
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Dont try talking sense to this board!..
 
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#161
Actually the year before ('08) UGA gave up an equal amount of points defensively (317) during the regular season. That team had a better record (10-3) than the '09team (8-5) mainly because it had a better offense.


actually they didn't give up equal points as it was 317 / 307 ... either way though Jancek was a large part of the two worst scoring defenses in Georgia football history
 
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daj2576 said:
You people here blow my mind.

At 4-6 we are better than we were last year. Let me explain why.
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1. Our recruiting class.
2. Butch Jones

I may sound negative with what I have posted, but I actually love Butch Jones, and I do think he is one of the few coaches in the country who has the resume to make me believe he has what it takes to build us up out of the cellar we ate living in.
I respect Butch Jones because he is a respecter of persons. He is nobody's fool, and I know if I or any of us see these coaching and player challenges, none of us see them more clearly that Butch.
I will be at the Vandy game, but this time my expectations will be based on what I saw against Auburn. Hopefully we will all see improvements, from coaching to playing. I will have to admit a win over Franklin will go a long ways toward helping me forget about the last 3 games.
Go Vols!
 
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Joe Vols said:
1. Our recruiting class.
2. Butch Jones

I may sound negative with what I have posted, but I actually love Butch Jones, and I do think he is one of the few coaches in the country who has the resume to make me believe he has what it takes to build us up out of the cellar we ate living in.
I respect Butch Jones because he is a respecter of persons. He is nobody's fool, and I know if I or any of us see these coaching and player challenges, none of us see them more clearly that Butch.
I will be at the Vandy game, but this time my expectations will be based on what I saw against Auburn. Hopefully we will all see improvements, from coaching to playing. I will have to admit a win over Franklin will go a long ways toward helping me forget about the last 3 games.
Go Vols!
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#1 is the largest factor for success on the football field. If what he is doing this year can be sustained for a minimum of 2 years, we will see huge results which will make recruiting much easier.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Trying to compare what nick saTan did his first few years to bUTch and our Vols is just plain dumb.

When saTan took over at alaBubba there was 1 HUGE difference...team talent.

The previous coaches at alaBummer were not good coaches but they WERE good recruiters so the talent level and depth talent WERE much better when saTan arrived in tuskaLoser than what bUTch has now and it's not even close.

If nick saTan had come to Tennessee instead of bUTch this year I honestly don't believe we would have won anymore games than we have with the serious lack of talent and depth that CDD left us with.

saTan would have also implemented his 3-4 D at Tennessee this season and we all saw how well these same players did last year with the saTan 3-4 D in place.

I love how many people here love to compare apples to pears and think it's actually logical, LOL!

I absolutely HATE losing and especially HATE seeing my Vols get blown out but I'm really not surprised with the serious lack of SEC starting talent and depth we have because the majority of talent we really have is MAC level talent thanks to CDD.

I want and expect much better from my Vols but I also see that we're not a roster of very many real SEC starting quality players despite how UNrealistic so many are when they claim we have good talent which we do NOT have.

It's going to take us several years of really good recruiting classes to be able to catch up with the top SEC and National teams despite what we fans really want.

I'll be really happy if we make it to any bowl game this season because with this talent that will be improvement.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
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MAC talent? You are so off-base. I realize Rivals isn't very well respected on this site, but the players UT has recruited over the past 3 years were also heavily recruited by other SEC schools.
 
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soda23 said:
Actually the year before ('08) UGA gave up an equal amount of points defensively (317) during the regular season. That team had a better record (10-3) than the '09team (8-5) mainly because it had a better offense.


actually they didn't give up equal points as it was 317 / 307 ... either way though Jancek was a large part of the two worst scoring defenses in Georgia football history
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Look up UGA's '08 depth chart and look at the LBs on that depth chart. That team wasn't blessed with high-caliber LBs.

At any rate, you don't like Jancek. I get it. And time may prove you right. But again, at this point there is nothing to suggest he doesn't know defense because despite what happened at UGA he has been a part of defenses that have been pretty good. And at this point, based on Butch's track record, I'm going to trust his assessment of his coaches over the opinion's of VN's armchair coaches.
 
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Gandalf said:
Missouri was 5-7 last year and it took them 4OT to beat us - have you checked their win count this year? think its the same team?
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Yeah, it really is minus a first round draft pick on the defensive line of course. They improved dramatically while losing their starting QB mid-season and having to start a redshirt freshman.
 
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#172
We fans pay to be entertained via football games. Close games are entertaining, win or lose. Blowouts are not. As fans we have not been entertained much this season, therefore, we are not as happy. It is not much entertainment to not care about all these games even if we believe it will turn around and we will win the SEC east within 3 years.

IMO- True fans may know we will lose all week, but think more and more every hour until kickoff that we have a chance and then get delirious from kickoff until the 4th quarter (hopefully). That's the best part of being a "true fan".
 
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VolFootballlover said:
sjt18 Bud Your wasting Your Time. The same Bunch of guys defended Dofus till death done them apart!
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To be honest... I argued for giving him the benefit of the doubt until it was 100% obvious he was done. I was wrong. I try to avoid condemning language while criticizing these guys. I try not to make final judgments.

But I am not going to ignore negatives or positives any more. I THINK Jones is a better HC than Dooley. However I also think Dooley may have done a better job selecting his first staff than Jones has done on D.

Vandy will surprise some on here but Not me. They are well coached!
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If UT loses to Vandy then Jones will have done something in his first year that Dooley did not do. He will lost to at least one and IMO two teams with less talent. MU has less overall talent... and it was a blowout. Dooley didn't lose to a less talented team until UK in '11... he then made a habit out of it.
 
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Look up UGA's '08 depth chart and look at the LBs on that depth chart. That team wasn't blessed with high-caliber LBs.


well off the top of my head I can think of three who played in the league... Ellerbee with the Ravens , Curran with the Titans and Dent with the Falcons .
 
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