Somebody Get Tony Jones A Crying Towel.

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hatvol96 said:
I also love how people demonize WWWes while giving Pearl as pass on his realtionship with the Pump brothers. Then again, given it's our fan base, I get it. If your hookup is fat white ticket scalpers, you're clean. On the other hand, if your consultant is a black guy from Camden, you have to be shady. Typical Tennessee logic.
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According to you, WWWes and Cal break no rules and are just more plugged in. What I know about WWWes is well publicized, and what I said about him is nothing more than what was printed in the Lexington Herald after Cal's hire. Pearl's relationship with the Pump brothers is certainly not published on all major sports networks as Cal's are. I actually read an article about the Pump Brothers and noticed one of the other close friends is none other than Bob Knight. Funny, I'm not aware of any major recruiting violations or shady business that Knight is known for conducting. The only demonizing that occurs on this board is your demonizing of Bruce Pearl and his staff while giving Cal and WWWes a pass as just being superior. Typical Hat logic.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
According to you, WWWes and Cal break no rules and are just more plugged in. What I know about WWWes is well publicized, and what I said about him is nothing more than what was printed in the Lexington Herald after Cal's hire. Pearl's relationship with the Pump brothers is certainly not published on all major sports networks as Cal's are. I actually read an article about the Pump Brothers and noticed one of the other close friends is none other than Bob Knight. Funny, I'm not aware of any major recruiting violations or shady business that Knight is known for conducting. The only demonizing that occurs on this board is your demonizing of Bruce Pearl and his staff while giving Cal and WWWes a pass as just being superior. Typical Hat logic.
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How many coaching jobs have the Pumps been responsible for Bob Knight getting? Was it Bob Knight they spent a good portion of this offseason begging Arizona to interview? Was it Bob Knight they helped perpetuate an outright lie about a job offer from Memphis into an undeserved raise?
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I am sure one of the geniuses that frequents this forum will call me a hat slurper, but I really can't see how the whole lot of you aren't at least a little worried that Pearl has been in Israel during the eval period. It's just flat out ridiculous. You simply don't do it if you are a college basketball coach, and if I were Mike Hamilton, I would tear Pearl a new a-hole the second he steps foot back in Knoxville.

In other words, regardless of your feelings about Pearl, you should absolutely be livid about this crap.
 
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emainvol said:
I am sure one of the geniuses that frequents this forum will call me a hat slurper, but I really can't see how the whole lot of you aren't at least a little worried that Pearl has been in Israel during the eval period. It's just flat out ridiculous. You simply don't do it if you are a college basketball coach, and if I were Mike Hamilton, I would tear Pearl a new a-hole the second he steps foot back in Knoxville.

In other words, regardless of your feelings about Pearl, you should absolutely be livid about this crap.
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I'll admit.....I've referred to you as a "Hat Follower" (not a slurper though!). However, the term doesn't fit in this post.

However - I have to say I somewhat agree with your post. Timing on this venture by Pearl was horrible. It has been magnified by the Selby situation. Bad call Bruce! Was it a bad decision? Absolutely. Was it unethical. Not in the least.

I believe what most on here on discussing though is the fact that hatvol96 resorts to personal attacks and immature name-calling anytime anyone so much as shares a different opinion. His efforts intensify when he has an argument he can't necessarily "win." His need to exert his alleged "superior basketball knowledge" has completely drowned out any normal social skills.

Regarding Calipari vs Pearl in the matter of "shady dealings" - If my life depended on selecting who is the most unethical, immoral, and shady individual between the two - I'd take Cal, without so much as a blink. It's obvious. To state his dealings are just "playing by the rules" and "being plugged in" is nothing short of ridiculous.

PS - For those non-fans of the aforementioned poster, I must say the board has been more pleasant and more insightful since he has become the CEO, President, and Lone member of my Ignore List Club. I still catch a post or two through other's quoting it, but its endurable.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Hat, I have never resorted to personal attacks against you. I respect your knowledge of the game and knowledge of the recruiting process. I certainly don't appreciate the personal jabs, but I guess that comes with the territory with you because instead of actually responding to the question posed to you, you respond with a smartass degradation of the poster questioning your "superior" knowledge of all things basketball. I find it funny, even though other D-1 Coaches obviously know of Tony Jones unethical behavior according to you, that you can't name one shady person he is associated with. Yet, with John Calipari, with whom you supposedly share casual conversations, is notorious for shady dealings and being involved with shady people, and you defend that as just "being more plugged in." I understand that you hate Pearl; but my God, don't be so insulting to everyone that questions some of your outrageous accusations of which your provide no evidence other than your being "plugged in." The bottom line is you don't have any evidence that Tony Jones is unethical, except for those that he and Pearl were beating in recruiting and on the floor in the Horizon League. Maybe you should tell them to go get a towel; oh wait; that wouldn't be right because if you are affiliated with Bruce Pearl and you beat somebody in recruiting, you are a grossly unethical bastard, but if you are John Calipari and do the same thing, you're just better than everyone else. Perfect logic.
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It is no secret Hat doesn't care for Pearl. In respect to the part of your statement in bold, I think Hat has made it perfectly clear his feelings toward the shady dealings in college basketball. All he is saying is most coaches are involved to some varying extents. He may believe Pearl's dealings are shadier than Cal's, that is beside the point. What he is pointing out is that while Cal has worked the system masterfully and recruited the talent he needs to be a consistent contender for NCAA championships, as shady as you think he is he has made it work. Pearl on the other hand is at least just as guilty of shady dealings, perhaps even shadier than Cal if you believe Hat and cannot achieve the same measure of success.

The way I read Hat's posts on Pearl is that he believes Pearl is associating with the wrong shady people, or the right shady people refuse to associate with Pearl. Either way I think he may have a valid point here, it is at least worth entertaining, especially given his connections and insight into the other side of the game we are not privy to.
 
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JZVOL said:
Like that is actual proof of anything? Maybe all it proves is Pearl isn't as good at finding people to write player's papers or take their tests.
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It's proof they got a college degree. If faculties are, as you imply, in the pocket of athletic departments, any coach who can't graduate his players is a complete fool.
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hatvol96 said:
It's proof they got a college degree. If faculties are, as you imply, in the pocket of athletic departments, any coach who can't graduate his players is a complete fool.
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I don't disagree. But to imply, as you did, that Cal recruits "student-athletes" and Pearl doesn't is kind of funny to me.

On the surface they might care about academics, but I doubt either one of them care as long as they win.
 
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JZVOL said:
I don't disagree. But to imply, as you did, that Cal recruits "student-athletes" and Pearl doesn't is kind of funny to me.

On the surface they might care about academics, but I doubt either one of them care as long as they win.
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I didn't imply anything. Cal's guys graduate and Pearl's don't.
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You compared Cal at Memphis to Pearl at Milwaukee.

How do they compare at Memphis and UT would be the real question and more apples to apples.
 
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JZVOL said:
You compared Cal at Memphis to Pearl at Milwaukee.

How do they compare at Memphis and UT would be the real question and more apples to apples.
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That comparison isn't going to work much better for Pearl.
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Well then maybe we should should tar and feather Bruce and make an example out of him. You in?
 
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Are we only talking about seniors? Hat said the other day that a high percentage of Cal's "seniors" have graduated. Bruce has not had many seniors complete eligibility at UT. Who didn't graduate?

2006-Asumnu, Patterson, Watson
2007-Bradshaw
2008-Lofton, J. Smith, Howell
2009-Childress

Those are the only seniors I can think of, and most of them spent either part of or a majority of their careers playing for Buzz.
I also think graduation, while important, isn't exactly critical for the guys who are playing professionally, even if it's not the NBA. The purpose of college is ultimately to launch a career path. And, a lot of college students don't finish in four years.

I have also linked articles to VN in the past showing that the graduation rate for UWM basketball was horrible before Bruce got there - and began to improve.
Here is the thread:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...hlight=pearl+milwaukee+graduation#post1501750
 
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ukvols said:
Are we only talking about seniors? Hat said the other day that a high percentage of Cal's "seniors" have graduated. Bruce has not had many seniors complete eligibility at UT. Who didn't graduate?

2006-Asumnu, Patterson, Watson
2007-Bradshaw
2008-Lofton, J. Smith, Howell
2009-Childress

Those are the only seniors I can think of, and most of them spent either part of or a majority of their careers playing for Buzz.
I also think graduation, while important, isn't exactly critical for the guys who are playing professionally, even if it's not the NBA. The purpose of college is ultimately to launch a career path. And, a lot of college students don't finish in four years.

I have also linked articles to VN in the past showing that the graduation rate for UWM basketball was horrible before Bruce got there - and began to improve. Do I need to dig up that thread? Just go to Yahoo or Google and search "Bruce Pearl Milwaukee Basketball Graduation Rates."
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ukvol, it's obvious that John Calipari just clearly places a much higher emphasis on academics than Pearl. Didn't you know that that is what he's known for, graduating his players?:crazy:
 
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ukvols said:
Are we only talking about seniors? Hat said the other day that a high percentage of Cal's "seniors" have graduated. Bruce has not had many seniors complete eligibility at UT. Who didn't graduate?

2006-Asumnu, Patterson, Watson
2007-Bradshaw
2008-Lofton, J. Smith, Howell
2009-Childress

Those are the only seniors I can think of, and most of them spent either part of or a majority of their careers playing for Buzz.
I also think graduation, while important, isn't exactly critical for the guys who are playing professionally, even if it's not the NBA. The purpose of college is ultimately to launch a career path. And, a lot of college students don't finish in four years.

I have also linked articles to VN in the past showing that the graduation rate for UWM basketball was horrible before Bruce got there - and began to improve.
Here is the thread:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...hlight=pearl+milwaukee+graduation#post1501750
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Your post makes complete sense. You can't really argue with the facts. Nice Post.

With that said, your post is also a detriment to the Calophile's (I borrowed this term) agenda. This therefore makes you a Pearl Slurper, Pearlophile, etc. This also makes you stupid with all things basketball. Please proceed to drink Drano, or any other toxic household chemical cleaner. Feel free to insert any other anti-clever insult.

:)
 
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adamyq said:
I think "loser" may best be defined by the equation "number of posts >34,000." A little rough math, I get just over 20 posts per day over the last 4+ years. Wow.
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Or perhaps that means a person is a winner because they have a comfortable enough job that they can post on a message board? Just some food for thought.
 
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adamyq said:
I think "loser" may best be defined by the equation "number of posts >34,000." A little rough math, I get just over 20 posts per day over the last 4+ years. Wow.
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You joined a message board, began posting, and then made fun of someone else who has been doing it a lot longer and is frankly much more interesting. I don't understand what sort of case you are trying to make.

Clearly, you are wasting your time here.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Hat fan are we??

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I think he has some great insight into the behind the scenes workings in basketball, something 95% of the public know little to nothing about. I may not agree with him totally on Pearl but that is my opinion and he has his. Actually there are quite a few things we disagree on.

All in all I would say I respect his insight and many of his opinions, if that makes me a fan in your mind then go right ahead believing that.
 
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IPorange said:
Well, we know your stance on him. I would say the same if someone came and popped off to you over post count. It's moronic.
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I agree. That guy's post was nothing short of idiocy at its best. I was not defending that guy at all. I was merely jesting with KB5252.

By the way...thanks for deleting my comments when you quoted. I only hope others do the same for those who have certain people on their ignore list as well.
 
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KB5252 said:
I think he has some great insight into the behind the scenes workings in basketball, something 95% of the public know little to nothing about. I may not agree with him totally on Pearl but that is my opinion and he has his. Actually there are quite a few things we disagree on.

All in all I would say I respect his insight and many of his opinions, if that makes me a fan in your mind then go right ahead believing that.
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I actually agree with you on certain parts of your post. I've stated before that I think he is knowledgeable of all things college basketball. He obviously has some connections most of us do not have.

I think his Biased attitudes towards Pearl is well over the top. His defense of certain college coaches known for shady ethics defies all logic. However, I still can't stand the individual.

Just because he may have some insight or knowledge doesn't mean one must agree. Nobody would drink a cup of Rat Poison simply because it had some Kool-Aid in it.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
I actually agree with you on certain parts of your post. I've stated before that I think he is knowledgeable of all things college basketball. He obviously has some connections most of us do not have.

I think his Biased attitudes towards Pearl is well over the top. His defense of certain college coaches known for shady ethics defies all logic. However, I still can't stand the individual.

Just because he may have some insight or knowledge doesn't mean one must agree. Nobody would drink a cup of Rat Poison simply because it had some Kool-Aid in it.
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I think he has some valid criticisms of Pearl, some may be a little of a stretch for me but then again I don't have the experiences he does with other people in the know to help shape my opinion.

I get your point but Hat is what he is, it is just his style. He is opinionated and very direct, sometimes he rubs you the wrong way but it is what it is. There are times when I think he goes over the top to be sure, what do I care, he isn't hurting me or anybody else, just stating his opinion and what he knows.
 
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KB5252 said:
I think he has some valid criticisms of Pearl, some may be a little of a stretch for me but then again I don't have the experiences he does with other people in the know to help shape my opinion.

I get your point but Hat is what he is, it is just his style. He is opinionated and very direct, sometimes he rubs you the wrong way but it is what it is. There are times when I think he goes over the top to be sure, what do I care, he isn't hurting me or anybody else, just stating his opinion and what he knows.
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well put
 
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adamyq said:
I think "loser" may best be defined by the equation "number of posts >34,000." A little rough math, I get just over 20 posts per day over the last 4+ years. Wow.
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You obviously didn't realize how during basketball season almost everyone on this board asked him his opinion about everything UT related. And to his credit he answers pretty much all of them.

Meanwhile...thank God you joined this board when you did. I don't know how we got along before last October and your 14 posts since.
 
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