Something Has To Change...

#51
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volfanhill said:
Top end SEC football refs make $2,500 a game. So the highest paid make $35,000 a year. Maybe we could demand more, attract better talent, and develop them if it was a full time job. The average server at Applebees doesn't really give a shat if you enjoyed your meal. Maybe we should pay more then an Applebees server makes.

Also this "can't criticize the refs" crap by the conference needs to go.
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I agree. If the SEC isn't going to hold refs accountable, there is no reason to stop the coaches from calling them out.
 
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volfanhill said:
Top end SEC football refs make $2,500 a game. So the highest paid make $35,000 a year. Maybe we could demand more, attract better talent, and develop them if it was a full time job. The average server at Applebees doesn't really give a shat if you enjoyed your meal. Maybe we should pay more then an Applebees server makes.

Also this "can't criticize the refs" crap by the conference needs to go.
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Why bama has had a slush fund starting with the Bear to own refs, now saban uses his 4 Mercedes dealerships for sweetheart deals to special friends,
 
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volfanhill said:
Meaning they could do so much more work and practice then just game day. Tons of continuous education, reviews of calls from previous week, situational awareness situations, all sorts of shat. We are getting part time job results bc it's a part time job.
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Start suspending them when they miss X amount of calls or docking them or something. You start losing $5k worth of pay with a 2 week suspension you’ll get your shat in order. We get the results because there’s no accountability. Stop the crew structure and get 8 different guys mixed up every weekend so they don’t have their “bosses” or boys covering for them. You’re all out there independent of each other and your performances will be graded individually.
 
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I watched the game. Clearly there was a big momentum shift in the start of the second half but all was not lost until the call to go for it on 4 & 1 at midfiel. I like Hueple (sp?) but it was wrong call. UT still had the lead and could dictate the field position. All it did was give UA and the crowd more momentum and confidence. Unless UA committed some turnovers, there was no chance the Vols were going to win.

As for the ref thing, that’s football. When we played at Bryant-Denny in 2001, we had zero penalties. Conversely in the 1997 game at the Rose Bowl, the Vols clearly benefitted from a non-call that negated a UCLA td that turned out to be the difference in the game. Even a Vol fan sitting next to me said we should have won. Our conference officiating has a lot to be desired at times too. Good bet lots of fans feel the same about their own. For my own sanity, I just roll with it (the blown fumble call in our 1998 game at Miami prevented us from playing you in the first BCS game).

All teams hold. All teams grab jerseys and push hands running and defending routes. The self inflicted ones are the worst and the Vols had a number of false starts today. UCLA commits plenty too. Like I said earlier, that’s football.

Losing a big game on the road especially when you have a lead and are in control sucks. I’ve seen that movie plenty of times myself. Conversely, I have good memories when the opposite happens.

Good luck to you guys the rest of the season. I like your QB. I’d want him on the Bruins.
 
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Matt2496 said:
This is my attempt at trying to come up with solutions for this problem. I'm open to any other ideas or critiques.
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This isn't a matter of can't fix. This is a matter of won't fix.

The SEC schools each currently get about 30million in TV revenue each year. If each school kicks in 1million, that's 16 million dollars.

I'm going to assume there's 80 football officials because it makes math easy.

16000000/80= $200000 /yr per official to be a full time professional football referee which is about what the NFL refs make. I think that's too high, so half it.

Each school kicks in $500000 for 8million and each ref gets $100000 / yr to be a full-time ref for the SEC.

I'm just using "back of an envelope" math here and someone may know exactly how many refs there are and folks can fight about how much the pay should be and whatever else.

The money is easily there in the SEC to have full-time, professional refs but the SEC schools just don't want to give it up to do that.
 
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Cartervol said:
Probably for a reason..Today's game seemed predetermined before the ball was even kicked off. Then we got a glimmer of hope to only have it squashed like a bug in the second half. I think what is more alarming is the total collapse and lack of any poise. Happened in both SEC road games so far.
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It's kind of like the refs always getting to an "almost" 3 count in wrestling. It's all about the timing of when or if they call the penalty.

Refs in football always manage to throw a game changing flag in virtually every game anymore.

See the Penn St DFTD getting overturned earlier today against OSU. Yeah....probably a flag but how may times does it not get called? Yet they save tossing it for a potential huge momentum shift.

Agree that the Vols gotta figure out this road thing and second half thing though.

Refs didn't have much to do with the Vols not even coming out of the tunnel in the second half. I put that on Heupel and the staff.
 
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JoeMiltonsAgent said:
It's kind of like the refs always getting to an "almost" 3 count in wrestling. It's all about the timing of when or if they call the penalty.

Refs in football always manage to throw a game changing flag in virtually every game anymore.

See the Penn St DFTD getting overturned earlier today against OSU. Yeah....probably a flag but how may times does it not get called? Yet they save tossing it for a potential huge momentum shift.

Agree that the Vols gotta figure out this road thing and second half thing though.

Refs didn't have much to do with the Vols not even coming out of the tunnel in the second half. I put that on Heupel and the staff.
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Got to help yourself first. Vols didn't do that at all.
 
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hatingbamaisawayoflife said:
Refs didn’t lose gme. Coaches did
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Or...maybe the team in orange that was actually on the field playing did.

We get it.

Doesn't mean the refs didn't absolutely do a garbage job (they did), and it sure as hell doesn't mean we have to sit by and put up with it.

I for one appreciate the OP for pointing it out.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...with regards to the refereeing in college football, especially the SEC. I get that refs are human, but these refs were clearly biased heavily against us. Only one 5 yard penalty was called on Alabama. Multiple, blatant penalties that should have been called against Bama were conveniently missed, such as the choke-hold for example.

Of course, it is a massive conflict of interest to have the SEC Commissioner's office right there in downtown Birmingham. Bribery and corruption are very real possibilities. My hope is that someday a whistleblower from inside the SEC comes out and reveals the widespread corruption. I yearn for that day to come. The money is probably too good to pass up so people probably just stay silent.

Also, I think accountability within the SEC is a big problem. Refs simply aren't being held accountable for corrupt and garbage refereeing. I think that refereeing should be audited and blatant missed calls should be penalized (suspensions and firing) and fined. I think the auditors should consist of an unbiased, separate committee consisting of SMEs from schools completely unaffiliated with the schools playing the games they are reviewing such that there is no possible agenda.

Finally, I think referees should be background checked and asked questions, such as what university they attended, so that they never referee a game where they went to school.

Something needs to change, but it never will because the SEC is accountable to no one.
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It’s going to change but it won’t help us. Bama is about to get used to being second fiddle here soon. Texas will get whatever they want when they get in the conference.
 
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Cartervol said:
Got to help yourself first. Vols didn't do that at all.
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Not in the least.

I don't even know how to explain the no-show in the 2nd half by the Vols today. Other than them thinking they just needed to show up.

Just a complete lack of focus and the staff went into a shell with the players.

That being said, this lousy officiating isn't just a TN thing. It's going on every game it seems.
 
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Just have a system where the officials can be held accountable. We did not have replay for years, now we know how often the get it wrong. Losing high profile games is not a viable deterrent for officials. When players make mistakes they can be punished financially in the nfl. Let's fine these repeated sec officials financially and it will STOP.
 
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After watching the abortion of officiating in Tuscaloosa, I tuned in to Tx vs Houston.
Houston got screwed on a horrendous spot…. It was awful
 
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Matt2496 said:
...with regards to the refereeing in college football, especially the SEC. I get that refs are human, but these refs were clearly biased heavily against us. Only one 5 yard penalty was called on Alabama. Multiple, blatant penalties that should have been called against Bama were conveniently missed, such as the choke-hold for example.

Of course, it is a massive conflict of interest to have the SEC Commissioner's office right there in downtown Birmingham. Bribery and corruption are very real possibilities. My hope is that someday a whistleblower from inside the SEC comes out and reveals the widespread corruption. I yearn for that day to come. The money is probably too good to pass up so people probably just stay silent.

Also, I think accountability within the SEC is a big problem. Refs simply aren't being held accountable for corrupt and garbage refereeing. I think that refereeing should be audited and blatant missed calls should be penalized (suspensions and firing) and fined. I think the auditors should consist of an unbiased, separate committee consisting of SMEs from schools completely unaffiliated with the schools playing the games they are reviewing such that there is no possible agenda.

Finally, I think referees should be background checked and asked questions, such as what university they attended, so that they never referee a game where they went to school.

Something needs to change, but it never will because the SEC is accountable to no one.
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I think a good starting point would be to quit with officials that more or less officiate the same games together week in and week out aa “crew” and make it more individualized to have SOME accountability. I honestly have no idea how to fix what was the most obviously biased game I have ever witnessed. There will be nothing said by the commish or ncaa or anyone but even with the orange shades removed one penalty for five yards. One penalty. The crew knew exactly how to keep bama in the game and when to throw or not throw those momentum game changing calls or moving us to the 3 yard line on the vols first possession of the second half.

And how many times have you seen a 3rd conversion that was called a first down overturned and make it 4th and inches. The replay showed no conclusive evidence but overturned it was and then UT has to have a review when Joe is 3 yards pass the first down marker but the officials ruled him down short.
 
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volfanhill said:
Disagree. The refs are crap in every game. Every conference. Just watch the two current ACC games on. Yikes.

Also where you going to put it?

Nashville? Every other school will claim TN bias

Atlanta? Georgia Bias


It has nothing to do with Birmingham. Wish it did. Would be easier to fix
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Charlotte comes to mind. If nothing more than appearance. Maybe there is no influence, but it needs to be moved.
 
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Matt2496 said:
This is my attempt at trying to come up with solutions for this problem. I'm open to any other ideas or critiques.
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The solution is to become so dominant the refs can’t affect the outcome of the games. That’s starts with the coaches coaching better and the players playing better. Does officiating suck, clearly. It’s been bad for a long time. The only solution is to get better in all phases of the game.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
After watching the abortion of officiating in Tuscaloosa, I tuned in to Tx vs Houston.
Houston got screwed on a horrendous spot…. It was awful
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It is going to be interesting to watch the tug of war between the Texas schools and Alabama. The Texas schools are not going to tolerate one sided officiating. They both got hosed last year. And I am sure the SEC office got an earful. Bama was called for a lot of penalties in both Texas games this year. It cost them the Texas game. A&M is just not very good.
 
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Maybe Danny White should have a video of every bad call/no call (that shows a referee looking straight at the play) and give a copy to Greg Sankey with instruction to fix this mess. Otherwise a copy will be sent to NCAA and all major news networks showing the dishonesty of the officials. When the officials can and do alter the course of games the losers are the fans and without fans their money quickly dries up. It seems that for the past several years the officiating has been bogus but nothing is done about it. Quite likely Sankey is behind it. THIS CRAP HAS TO STOP!! It's ruining the sport we all dearly love.
 
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#71
I want to see conference officiating go away. Or maybe the NCAA will collapse and the power conferences will form a football super league, akin to the NFL. Officiating in the NFL is less biased because no matter who wins the game, the league always wins. Not perfect and I think they use officiating to boost certain teams and players, but way less overtly biased than the sec.
 
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UCLADal said:
I watched the game. Clearly there was a big momentum shift in the start of the second half but all was not lost until the call to go for it on 4 & 1 at midfiel. I like Hueple (sp?) but it was wrong call. UT still had the lead and could dictate the field position. All it did was give UA and the crowd more momentum and confidence. Unless UA committed some turnovers, there was no chance the Vols were going to win.

As for the ref thing, that’s football. When we played at Bryant-Denny in 2001, we had zero penalties. Conversely in the 1997 game at the Rose Bowl, the Vols clearly benefitted from a non-call that negated a UCLA td that turned out to be the difference in the game. Even a Vol fan sitting next to me said we should have won. Our conference officiating has a lot to be desired at times too. Good bet lots of fans feel the same about their own. For my own sanity, I just roll with it (the blown fumble call in our 1998 game at Miami prevented us from playing you in the first BCS game).

All teams hold. All teams grab jerseys and push hands running and defending routes. The self inflicted ones are the worst and the Vols had a number of false starts today. UCLA commits plenty too. Like I said earlier, that’s football.

Losing a big game on the road especially when you have a lead and are in control sucks. I’ve seen that movie plenty of times myself. Conversely, I have good memories when the opposite happens.

Good luck to you guys the rest of the season. I like your QB. I’d want him on the Bruins.
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Thanks. Just because bad calls happen it doesn't mean at the time you just throw your hands up and be like "oh well". Calls are subjective some of these were blatant on several occasions.

I could even understand a resetting of the ball but not the distance they they did it when they took away a 1st down then didn't even review the close spot on the next down in the same series of downs.

Alabama averages 6-7 penalties a game but they clean it all up in one week and is called for nothing? Unlikely and the video proves it.
 
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Never trust an institution where there is no accountability. When NFL officials make bad calls they are held accountable. If a coach questions a game there are fines. Let's start fining referring, why should the be different?
 
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We all know where some coaches learned how to get the best players, before NIL. Now we know how they get their refs!
 
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