Something Has To Change...

#76
#76
BSAvol said:
I disagree, Heupel didn’t choke, nor did Danny White. They are on board with the brig picture, both are compliant with the big picture. UT is not a part of the big picture at this point.
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I think you're dead on with that.. Still trying to get a seat at the table after losing it 20 years ago...
 
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hatingbamaisawayoflife said:
Refs didn’t lose gme. Coaches did
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Debatable. Call the holding on Baron and take the points off the board and the opening drive isn’t 2 plays 75 yards. Bad call on Heupel not punting at midfield if he’s trying to be conservative in the 3rd.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...with regards to the refereeing in college football, especially the SEC. I get that refs are human, but these refs were clearly biased heavily against us. Only one 5 yard penalty was called on Alabama. Multiple, blatant penalties that should have been called against Bama were conveniently missed, such as the choke-hold for example.

Of course, it is a massive conflict of interest to have the SEC Commissioner's office right there in downtown Birmingham. Bribery and corruption are very real possibilities. My hope is that someday a whistleblower from inside the SEC comes out and reveals the widespread corruption. I yearn for that day to come. The money is probably too good to pass up so people probably just stay silent.

Also, I think accountability within the SEC is a big problem. Refs simply aren't being held accountable for corrupt and garbage refereeing. I think that refereeing should be audited and blatant missed calls should be penalized (suspensions and firing) and fined. I think the auditors should consist of an unbiased, separate committee consisting of SMEs from schools completely unaffiliated with the schools playing the games they are reviewing such that there is no possible agenda.

Finally, I think referees should be background checked and asked questions, such as what university they attended, so that they never referee a game where they went to school.

Something needs to change, but it never will because the SEC is accountable to no one.
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It’s only going to get worse with Texas and OU.
 
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volfanhill said:
Top end SEC football refs make $2,500 a game. So the highest paid make $35,000 a year. Maybe we could demand more, attract better talent, and develop them if it was a full time job. The average server at Applebees doesn't really give a shat if you enjoyed your meal. Maybe we should pay more then an Applebees server makes.

Also this "can't criticize the refs" crap by the conference needs to go.
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I'm sure they are making a killing on Drafts King or from some other gambling organization. This will kill college football.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...with regards to the refereeing in college football, especially the SEC. I get that refs are human, but these refs were clearly biased heavily against us. Only one 5 yard penalty was called on Alabama. Multiple, blatant penalties that should have been called against Bama were conveniently missed, such as the choke-hold for example.

Of course, it is a massive conflict of interest to have the SEC Commissioner's office right there in downtown Birmingham. Bribery and corruption are very real possibilities. My hope is that someday a whistleblower from inside the SEC comes out and reveals the widespread corruption. I yearn for that day to come. The money is probably too good to pass up so people probably just stay silent.

Also, I think accountability within the SEC is a big problem. Refs simply aren't being held accountable for corrupt and garbage refereeing. I think that refereeing should be audited and blatant missed calls should be penalized (suspensions and firing) and fined. I think the auditors should consist of an unbiased, separate committee consisting of SMEs from schools completely unaffiliated with the schools playing the games they are reviewing such that there is no possible agenda.

Finally, I think referees should be background checked and asked questions, such as what university they attended, so that they never referee a game where they went to school.

Something needs to change, but it never will because the SEC is accountable to no one.
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“Yes! Yes!” the crowd shouted from the rooftops.

I am in violent agreement with these thoughts, especially moving the SEC headquarters from Alabama’s back yard. I would suggest finding a neutral site/city no closer than 200 miles from any SEC campus.

Holding these SEC refs (and any officiating crew from any other conference calling a game with an SEC school) accountable and responsible for their performance seems to be the most urgent issue. But how? How do you neutralize the good-ol-boy network(s) currently in play?Performance reviews annually by some objective authority with no skin in the game seems sensible…but which authority? The NCAA? How many of us trust the NCAA to do anything right? Maybe a committee of all SEC ADs? Maybe an auditing firm like PWC or Deloitte?

I am just thinking out loud here like most of us. But this seems like an urgent issue for SEC sports. From where I sit, the officiating I have witnessed in every Tennessee football this season has been the worst I can remember in 50 years of watching football. From outright incompetence to, well…maybe something else.

And let me be an oracle of the obvious: no, we didn’t lose to Alabama yesterday because of the officiating.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, the last time the Vols were competitive in Tuscaloosa Bama only got flagged once. This year, Alabama was averaging 6 penalties per game yet only got flagged once.
 
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First LOS didn't perform in 2nd half and Heupel going for it in 3rd I didn't like but I understand in the moment Bama was on 10-0 run refs have not called any of the blanet penalties on Bama and he was trying to change momentum. When National Media is talking about how bad it was you have a major problem. We lost and we will be better next week. In CHRIST Alone
 
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When you let the other team score 24 unanswered points, it's the coaching. We have about three plays in the playbook. Tried to set on the score the second half. I suppose too much clapping for the vols at halftime verses butt chewing in the Bama locker room. When you don't score the last two quarters, and let your opponent score 24, it's the coaches.
 
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volfanhill said:
Top end SEC football refs make $2,500 a game. So the highest paid make $35,000 a year. Maybe we could demand more, attract better talent, and develop them if it was a full time job. The average server at Applebees doesn't really give a shat if you enjoyed your meal. Maybe we should pay more then an Applebees server makes.

Also this "can't criticize the refs" crap by the conference needs to go.
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Totally agree about criticizing the refs, I mean who the f***k are they anyway? Why should they be above criticism? Both questions are rhetorical.

As for the idea of hiring well paid, trained, full time refs, this only takes into consideration incompetence, which there is plenty of, but doesn't address bias and the role that gambling undoubtedly plays in the issue. Well trained refs would only be better able to hide calling games that lean one way or the other.

Sadly, none of this will ever be addressed in any meaningful way, and this game's atrocious officiating will be forgotten in a couple of days. It serves no purpose for the leagues or NCAA to open up the can of worms that would inevitably result from any investigation. Everyone is raking it in right now, and the last thing they are going to do is disrupt the gravy train even a little bit.
 
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Matt2496 said:
...with regards to the refereeing in college football, especially the SEC. I get that refs are human, but these refs were clearly biased heavily against us. Only one 5 yard penalty was called on Alabama. Multiple, blatant penalties that should have been called against Bama were conveniently missed, such as the choke-hold for example.

Of course, it is a massive conflict of interest to have the SEC Commissioner's office right there in downtown Birmingham. Bribery and corruption are very real possibilities. My hope is that someday a whistleblower from inside the SEC comes out and reveals the widespread corruption. I yearn for that day to come. The money is probably too good to pass up so people probably just stay silent.

Also, I think accountability within the SEC is a big problem. Refs simply aren't being held accountable for corrupt and garbage refereeing. I think that refereeing should be audited and blatant missed calls should be penalized (suspensions and firing) and fined. I think the auditors should consist of an unbiased, separate committee consisting of SMEs from schools completely unaffiliated with the schools playing the games they are reviewing such that there is no possible agenda.

Finally, I think referees should be background checked and asked questions, such as what university they attended, so that they never referee a game where they went to school.

Something needs to change, but it never will because the SEC is accountable to no one.
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What an adventure in self realization you have processed. You are correct though. There will always be those that struggle and those that pay up to to get what they want.
 
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Pro sports, especially the NBA , Premier League soccer in England, and the NFL use sophisticated analytics, rules panels which include officials, League staff and coaches to analyze and clarify what exactly constitutes a foul or offence, and monitoring every single foul in a game, which is then put in a data base that can list officials, games, and a host of other data to come up with who did what where. They also Monitor online betting to look for emerging patterns that would raise a red flag. And they make more money because they are held to high standards. They work with, but don't answer to the teams for the most part. NCAA football refs still have a good measure of. "Ye Olde boys network'", and can stay in their jobs no matter their performance. In US soccer, the pathway to the top is clearly delineated, and if you get to the FIFA level, just ONE really bad game, and you are finished. With all of the cash generated by the SEC, one might think that they would consult other big time sports about how to improve the officiating, but they DON'T.
 
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