Something that caught my eye....

[utvolpj]

Almost nothing Dooley has done has impressed me. He retained two good coaches and hired an excellent coach in Baggett, and what I believe will be an excellent hire in Heistand.

wow, not even a mention of Chuck Smith? I guess he doesn't even fit in the "good coach" category

 

[VolFan_N_NC]

Wow. Threads like this are becoming the norm around here. One person makes claims about how DD is doing good things and then gets ripped apart by the peanut gallery who thinks that he sucks, followed by 25+ pages of people b*+ching back and forth and throwing out GPA's and SAT scores to validate their intelligence. What's sad is that I would expect this on an ESPN or CBS message board bc usually fans of other teams are always pretty critical, but this is going on between our own fan base. And whether people actually believe that their comments can have a negative effect on recruiting or not, why chance it? On the other hand, if there is the possibility that showing support for the team and coaching staff could actually GAIN some recruits, why not do it?

Seems to me that if you are a REAL FAN of Tennessee then you will accept the coaching staff that we have, whether you like it or not, and get behind the team. It's not like your constant B*+ching and moaning is going to change the fact that DD is our coach, atleast for the next 3-5 years. And ripping the coaching staff is doing nothing for the program. I can admit that I'm cautiously optimistic about our team and coaching staff, but that's because I'm hoping for the best, not the worst, as it would seem like some of you guys are doing.

IMO, I don't think DD has made any monumental mistakes that are going to define his success/failure at Tennessee, at least not yet. And until he does, I will get behind him and the team and hope for the best.

As for the negaVOLS, I can only hope that you are proven wrong and look even dumber than you do now, arguing about something that you have no control over. I guess some people just always the view the glass half empty, just like some always view it half full. I'm one of the half full people. GBO!

 

[sjt18]

What do you really expect during the off season? It was the same kind of junk last year until the summer camps and commitments began to pick up.

 

[VolFan_N_NC]

What do you really expect during the off season? It was the same kind of junk last year until the summer camps and commitments began to pick up.

I understand that it's the off season and there will be a lot of pointless posts, but don't remember there being as much of the negatives that have been going on here. Most people were pretty excited for CLK. Mostly, because he wasn't Fulmer and he had just landed a top 10 recruiting class.

And if you want to compare CLK and DD on what they have actually accomplished at this point in their tenure, then we can.

CLK - #10 recruiting class in under 2 months. (2 5* recruits - one that is no longer with the team & 9 4* recruits)

CDD - #9 recruiting class in under 2 WEEKS. (1 5* recruit & 12 4* recruits)

* Both only had 1-2 committs at this point in the year as well.

* Both put together good coaching staffs with some big names and some unknowns.

* Both made some MINOR recruiting mistakes -
CLK getting us several violations
CDD fumbling on some recruits at the O/W game

The difference is that with CLK most of the fan base was pretty optimistic going into the season and with CDD a large portion of the fan base is bitter and pretty pessimistic going into the season. Why? I have no idea.

 

[thunder5]

Wow. Threads like this are becoming the norm around here. One person makes claims about how DD is doing good things and then gets ripped apart by the peanut gallery who thinks that he sucks, followed by 25+ pages of people b*+ching back and forth and throwing out GPA's and SAT scores to validate their intelligence. What's sad is that I would expect this on an ESPN or CBS message board bc usually fans of other teams are always pretty critical, but this is going on between our own fan base. And whether people actually believe that their comments can have a negative effect on recruiting or not, why chance it? On the other hand, if there is the possibility that showing support for the team and coaching staff could actually GAIN some recruits, why not do it?

Seems to me that if you are a REAL FAN of Tennessee then you will accept the coaching staff that we have, whether you like it or not, and get behind the team. It's not like your constant B*+ching and moaning is going to change the fact that DD is our coach, atleast for the next 3-5 years. And ripping the coaching staff is doing nothing for the program. I can admit that I'm cautiously optimistic about our team and coaching staff, but that's because I'm hoping for the best, not the worst, as it would seem like some of you guys are doing.

IMO, I don't think DD has made any monumental mistakes that are going to define his success/failure at Tennessee, at least not yet. And until he does, I will get behind him and the team and hope for the best.

As for the negaVOLS, I can only hope that you are proven wrong and look even dumber than you do now, arguing about something that you have no control over. I guess some people just always the view the glass half empty, just like some always view it half full. I'm one of the half full people. GBO!

I've come to realize that the posters who are certain of what Dooley is going to accomplish here (good or bad) are for the most part very young....like teenage to early 20's

The fact is there are as many reasons to be optimistic as there are to be pesimistic about Dooley at this point...for anyone to claim they're certain of his pending failure/success is irrational and...IMO...a sign of immaturity...

"Even the very wise can't see all ends"

 

[KiffinKiller]

Debating Dooley's worth is pointless, despite your so-called wisdom - none of this unproven **** matters until the end of the upcoming season.

 

[thunder5]

The difference is that with CLK most of the fan base was pretty optimistic going into the season and with CDD a large portion of the fan base is bitter and pretty pessimistic going into the season. Why? I have no idea.

IMO...because Kiffin was built up by the media as the next big thing...mostly because of his daddy...and once he got the job he proceeded to pander to the fans who need constant information to feel good about the program

Again...as I stated in my previous post...I think most of the hopelessly negative on here are younger people who lack the maturity to really handle the current situation we as Vol fans find ourselves in

 

[thunder5]

I've come to realize that the posters who are certain of what Dooley is going to accomplish here (good or bad) are for the most part very young....like teenage to early 20's

The fact is there are as many reasons to be optimistic as there are to be pesimistic about Dooley at this point...for anyone to claim they're certain of his pending failure/success is irrational and...IMO...a sign of immaturity...

"Even the very wise can't see all ends"

Debating Dooley's worth is pointless, despite your so-called wisdom - none of this unproven **** matters until the end of the upcoming season.

So you're saying that at this point we don't have enough to go on to form a reasonable opinion either way and we should wait before we pass that sort of judgement?

Interesting point of view...

 

[VolFan_N_NC]

IMO...because Kiffin was built up by the media as the next big thing...mostly because of his daddy...and once he got the job he proceeded to pander to the fans who need constant information to feel good about the program

Again...as I stated in my previous post...I think most of the hopelessly negative on here are younger people who lack the maturity to really handle the current situation we as Vol fans find ourselves in

I think the age factor is a valid point. And if the daddy factor was what had people optimistic for CLK, then I would think that it would also work for CDD. Especially since Vince Dooley was a much more successful HC than CMK ever was. Then again, most of the younger fan base has no idea who Vince Dooley is. Maybe it's bc CLK brought his daddy with him and CDD decided to do it on his own. Just like the recruits that we follow, it's almost impossible to understand what's going on inside the minds of these younger posters on this board. That might explain why they are all so wishy-washy.

 

[rbroyles]

What I find amusing is that the original quote of Dooley in the OP doesn't even mention message boards. It refers to media experts/analysts who put out info that can hurt recruiting. I doubt many potential recruits ever bother checking out boards such as VN, if they are even aware of them. Some of us take too much credit for being a meaningful influence on anything.

 

[sjt18]

Debating Dooley's worth is pointless, despite your so-called wisdom - none of this unproven **** matters until the end of the upcoming season.

Did you actually read what he wrote? He said there were positives and negatives but that nothing is certain right now.

The gray hairs amongst us have been arguing this same position consistently for weeks now.

He said the wise can't see all ends... I'd go a bit further and say that the wise won't claim to see all ends.

 

[VolFan_N_NC]

Did you actually read what he wrote? He said there were positives and negatives but that nothing is certain right now.

The gray hairs amongst us have been arguing this same position consistently for weeks now.

He said the wise can't see all ends... I'd go a bit further and say that the wise won't claim to see all ends.

:good!: Exactly.

 

[sjt18]

Kiffin was brash and cocky. He riled people up and flipped off authority... He was the perfect "anti-Fulmer". Most of us were so ready for someone like him that we forgave a multitude of short-comings. Younger fans who had their emotions charged up by the guy just can't seem to let go of him or admit that he was in any way flawed.

Younger fans who are focused on UT also have one point of reference when it comes to a more subdued personality in their coach- Fulmer... and they hate him. Older fans for the most part have a wider perspective. We look at the personalities of Meyer, Saban, Carroll, Tressel, Paul Johnson, Brian Kelly,... and see people alot more like Dooley than Kiffin.

 

[NYYVol]

Kiffin was brash and cocky. He riled people up and flipped off authority... He was the perfect "anti-Fulmer". Most of us were so ready for someone like him that we forgave a multitude of short-comings. Younger fans who had their emotions charged up by the guy just can't seem to let go of him or admit that he was in any way flawed.

Younger fans who are focused on UT also have one point of reference when it comes to a more subdued personality in their coach- Fulmer... and they hate him. Older fans for the most part have a wider perspective. We look at the personalities of Meyer, Saban, Carroll, Tressel, Paul Johnson, Brian Kelly,... and see people alot more like Dooley than Kiffin.

Now you're playing the age card.
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[thunder5]

Kiffin was brash and cocky. He riled people up and flipped off authority... He was the perfect "anti-Fulmer". Most of us were so ready for someone like him that we forgave a multitude of short-comings. Younger fans who had their emotions charged up by the guy just can't seem to let go of him or admit that he was in any way flawed.

Younger fans who are focused on UT also have one point of reference when it comes to a more subdued personality in their coach- Fulmer... and they hate him. Older fans for the most part have a wider perspective. We look at the personalities of Meyer, Saban, Carroll, Tressel, Paul Johnson, Brian Kelly,... and see people alot more like Dooley than Kiffin.

Well said...couldn't agree more

 

[TrueOrange]

Kiffin was brash and cocky. He riled people up and flipped off authority... He was the perfect "anti-Fulmer". Most of us were so ready for someone like him that we forgave a multitude of short-comings. Younger fans who had their emotions charged up by the guy just can't seem to let go of him or admit that he was in any way flawed.

Younger fans who are focused on UT also have one point of reference when it comes to a more subdued personality in their coach- Fulmer... and they hate him. Older fans for the most part have a wider perspective. We look at the personalities of Meyer, Saban, Carroll, Tressel, Paul Johnson, Brian Kelly,... and see people alot more like Dooley than Kiffin.

personality alone though doesnt automatically mean someone's going to be a good coach

and while at it, you're age classifications are too broad and incorrect. I know multiple cases of both old fans who didn't like fulmer as well as young ones who wanted someone they felt was more mature (or "talked less and coached more")

 

[KiffinKiller]

Did you actually read what he wrote? He said there were positives and negatives but that nothing is certain right now.

The gray hairs amongst us have been arguing this same position consistently for weeks now.

He said the wise can't see all ends... I'd go a bit further and say that the wise won't claim to see all ends.

I admit that my post was written in anger - so I apologize to the quoted poster. It seems we agree.

I am frustrated with all the useless banter that seems to be coming from assumptions of knowledge. The facts are that Dooley is UTs Football coach and an intelligent individual.

Coaches can succeed and fail at all levels of sport - so assuming personal opinions as foregone conclusions is just plain ignorant. Alas, I am wasting my time - stupid is what stupid does.

 

[IndianaVolunteer]

ok let's hear them; where all else are you looking or going? because certainly, if you're so gosh-darn intelligent like you adamently claim (or seemingly yell), then there must be plenty of schools offering you full rides and scholarships; heck UT must be a loss in your case based on the possibilities.

i've only applied to state colleges and/or public schools. theres a difference between notre dame academics and tennessee academics. i'm not going anywhere else, i love tennessee, why is that so hard to comprehend? For full rides on academics you usually need to be around the top of your class, with an awesome sat score. i am nowhere near that and NEVER said i was, like i said private schools and public schools are different. one way or another, i'll be a vol so get over it.

 

[KiffinKiller]

i've only applied to state colleges and/or public schools. theres a difference between notre dame academics and tennessee academics. i'm not going anywhere else, i love tennessee, why is that so hard to comprehend? For full rides on academics you usually need to be around the top of your class, with an awesome sat score. i am nowhere near that and NEVER said i was, like i said private schools and public schools are different. one way or another, i'll be a vol so get over it.

This argument needs to end one way or another. :crazy:

 

[thunder5]

I admit that my post was written in anger - so I apologize to the quoted poster. It seems we agree.

I am frustrated with all the useless banter that seems to be coming from assumptions of knowledge. The facts are that Dooley is UTs Football coach and an intelligent individual.

Coaches can succeed and fail at all levels of sport - so assuming personal opinions as foregone conclusions is just plain ignorant. Alas, I am wasting my time - stupid is what stupid does.

Well then we're certainly in agreement...and I wasn't meaning to be condescending towards someone of a certain age group...

I just feel that to treat one's own opinion as fact and proceed to use it as such in a discussion about our HFC is a surefire sign of immaturity...

And I mean that as much about those who are certain Dooley will succeed as I do about the ones who are certain he will fail

 

[rbroyles]

personality alone though doesnt automatically mean someone's going to be a good coach

and while at it, you're age classifications are too broad and incorrect. I know multiple cases of both old fans who didn't like fulmer as well as young ones who wanted someone they felt was more mature (or "talked less and coached more")

I'm about as old a fan that posts here, and while I was a Fulmer supporter for most of his tenure, I was calling for a change his last two seasons. I still respect his accomplishments as I do Johnny Majors, but I was ready for him to go too. It shouldn't be impossible to acknowlege the positives of a coach even though he has fallen into disfavor. Few coaches can maintain high results years on end in today's game, Bobby Bowden finally ran out of steam, Urban Meyer as well. Paterno was way down, and I believe Pete Carrol was on the verge.

 

[TrueOrange]

i've only applied to state colleges and/or public schools. theres a difference between notre dame academics and tennessee academics. i'm not going anywhere else, i love tennessee, why is that so hard to comprehend? For full rides on academics you usually need to be around the top of your class, with an awesome sat score. i am nowhere near that and NEVER said i was, like i said private schools and public schools are different. one way or another, i'll be a vol so get over it.

I'm not bothered that you're a vol - i dont think anyone cared about that part. It's your tone and the way you came about attacking people who disagreed with you

and then you started throwing out out your GPA and SAT scores like they not only mattered but like the reality was you were smarter than everyone else and almost like they just couldnt understand...on a board where you have people who are already lawyers (graduated law school), doctors, or are already in outstanding schools

-- for example, you want my case, I'm at a school called Washington University in St. Louis (look it up, on a bad year we're the 13th best academics in the nation; most years we're 8th), getting ready to grad with a psychology major (and taking neuroscience courses also);I was offered full rides at multiple southeastern schools (Bama, USCe, UT, UGA even scholly'd) -- there's a whole lot of smart on this board, more than you seem to give credit for

my point being, there are alot of intelligent people on this board; coming in and throwing around your high school GPA and SAT scores like you're smarter than everyone else (as your tone indicated) is not only pointless, but you get the response like people are giving you.

you love the vols, that's fine; but your professed scores and intelligence had nothing to do with that at all

 

[thunder5]

I'm about as old a fan that posts here, and while I was a Fulmer supporter for most of his tenure, I was calling for a change his last two seasons. I still respect his accomplishments as I do Johnny Majors, but I was ready for him to go too. It shouldn't be impossible to acknowlege the positives of a coach even though he has fallen into disfavor. Few coaches can maintain high results years on end in today's game, Bobby Bowden finally ran out of steam, Urban Meyer as well. Paterno was way down, and I believe Pete Carrol was on the verge.

I agree with your post except I'm not quite ready to say Meyer is on the way down...

I think the next couple of years (i.e. the post-Timmy era) will go along way to determining that

 

[thunder5]

my point being, there are alot of intelligent people on this board; coming in and throwing around your high school GPA and SAT scores like you're smarter than everyone else (as your tone indicated) is not only pointless, but you get the response like people are giving you.

Not to mention the dude stated that getting in to UT would be easy since the state of Tennessee is full of ignorant hillbillies

 

[rbroyles]

I agree with your post except I'm not quite ready to say Meyer is on the way down...

I think the next couple of years (i.e. the post-Timmy era) will go along way to determining that

I was referring to his health, should have been clearer.