Sooner fan really looking forward to the game

[volbound1700]

Based on schedules, 1983 Auburn definitely has a solid argument that they could be the National Champions in that they beat a team, Florida, that Miami (the champion) lost to and finished with a similar record.

Auburn played a more difficult schedule.

EDIT: This is a great example of the SEC not getting love in the poll era. This is the reason why SEC fans were the first main group to clamor for playoffs.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I can agree with this. Solid post but the SEC really became the premier conference in this century. They only won 3 NC’s from 1981-2000

From 1920s to 1998, first BCS. NC were based on AP and Coaches Poll. Polls based on eye candy and history of a program. No in depth analysis and data to review.
Technology and information starting becoming available.

In 85, had there been a 12 team playoff I could easily state that Tennessee would have been a valid contender for a NC.

Data availability changed everything. The playoff system did as well. AP or Coaches polls matter but humans get into their voting habits or don't take the time to seriously review teams in depth.

Voting is a full time job and most voters in these polls don't have the time. AP voters may simply Vote for a team in their area because that don't want to lose a base of readers. Some will vote out of habit. Technology has helped but time is a factor to do the research.

Playoff committees even with the facts sometimes get it wrong because of this. Sometimes they get it right but the system is flaw based on Bias and/or Prejudice. When you see a voter rank a top 5 team at 10 -15th in their rankings then you know you have a problem.

 

[Shirleyudontmeanthat]

All this is great and all but what really matters here is UT vs OU in 9 days. You guys have told us over and over how great your OL coach and Venables is … so it’s put or shut up time. Line just moved what almost 6 points in last week so we now who people are betting on.

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Those were the old Mythical National Championship days. The SEC's top tier spent a lot of time beating up on each other during that time, making it difficult to put an unbeaten or 1 loss conference champion in the Sugar bowl to complete for the MNC.

Still the SEC's bowl record during that period tells a different story.

Speculation. The SEC became the best conference this century. Not saying anybody was better

 

[Shirleyudontmeanthat]

Speculation. The SEC became the best conference this century. Not saying anybody was better

So the SEC has only been the best by far and away for the last 25 years got it … I am good w that assessment

 

[Sooner Redzone]

So the SEC has only been the best by far and away for the last 25 years got it … I am good w that assessment

And that was really Saban/Bama. Sans Bama & LSU the others JAT

 

[Godfatha]

And that was really Saban/Bama

He definitely raised the level of play in the conference (started the arms race), however LSU, Georgia, Florida, and Auburn have also won NCs in the last 20 years, so it's not just Bama.

 

[DaddyChad]

Nope, I have just posted facts. You don't like them, your problem. I'm not waving any kind of surrender flag. When my friends go fishing, trolling is our absolute go-to winner. Look at how many fish this little trolling trip has netted. Catch & release only though. Your program is top class, too bad most of your fans aren't. Let's play. I'll honor my pledge.

Most? I will say “most” of our fans are top class fans. Anytime a fan, player, kid or anyone else is in need this a fanbase comes together to take care of it whether it be financial or anything in between. With success comes new fans and with new fans comes some big ass idiots as well. I would say most vol fans are class acts but even class acts don’t put up with people coming into their house and pissing in the floor. That’s kind of what you did in here, now you want to be a little Weiner and whine about the consequences.

Anyways hope we beat the piss out of OU but both teams come out of the game healthy. Really have no real ill will towards OU; I hope they beat the hell out of Texas and I’ll probably be routing for them in many of their remaining games.

 

[tricky13]

My dad was born in Norman and I was raised an OU fan. Gave it up in 07 when I started school at UT. Had to endure Fulmers last year, Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch while in school and to start out my Vol fandom.

It’s our time.

I’m ready for the Vols to burn the wagons and make the Sooners regret coming to the SEC.

Edit: it was fun rooting for Heupel as an OU fan, but it’s so much sweeter now.

 

[volbound1700]

And that was really Saban/Bama

Not really. The run from 2006-2011 only had 2 NCs from Saban. In fact, in some of the years Saban won it (2012, 2017 stand out), another SEC team likely would have won it. Les Miles, Tommy Tubberville, Urban Meyer, and Mark Richt all had their programs at a high level. In the 1990s, the SEC had three national titles (1992 Alabama, 1996 Florida, 1998 Tennessee) and one undefeated team that didn't win due to probation (1993 Auburn).

I say read up on SEC history. I have already showed you 1983 Auburn. There is a solid argument they should be the champions over Miami.

There are many other examples. Bear Bryant had 6 NCs from 1960s-1970s. Ole Miss was very good in the 1960s. Auburn and LSU had titles and were solid in the 1950s.

Tennessee was actually the most dominant SEC program from the founding (1933) until 1952. Bob Neyland is a legend that gets 0 respect because of the time period and the fact he was in the SEC and they were in the shadow of Notre Dame (along with most of CFB).

 

[BelievetheHeup2022]

23-22 says hi. Again nobody denying you have much stronger teams at the top but head to head facts don’t lie.

Yes your 3rd or 4th team scraping by our 6th or 7th team shows superiority. Evidence that you’re not really bright nor understand how stats can be skewed

 

[Sooner Redzone]

He definitely raised the level of play in the conference (started the arms race), however LSU, Georgia, Florida, and Auburn have also won NCs in the last 20 years, so it's not just Bama.

No I meant that the real domination started with him.

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Yes your 3rd or 4th team scraping by our 6th or 7th team shows superiority. Evidence that you’re not really bright nor understand how stats can be skewed

LMAO you guys on here rationalize exceptionally

 

[LouderVol]

And we’ve never said it wouldn’t be tougher. I mean we know the SEC is better at the top than the Big 12 after that not so much. We beat you twice a few years ago. We beat Auburn in a bowl game and were 1-1 vs Bama in a bowl games and lost in OT to UGA after jumping out 31-14 at the half. LSU drilled us just like Clemson and the whole world .

most of those were in controlled settings of bowl games. neutral sites, both teams travelling, both fan bases have a chance for tickets to remove any true home field advantage in noise, you get weeks to prepare for the game.

you don't get those luxuries during the season. that is going to let those smaller games sneak up on you. games that wouldn't be a problem in a bowl, or at the start of the season get a lot more tricky when they are back to back.

Its like you are the gym doing sets of 50lbs curls. you can handle doing 3x6 or whatever sets. but you take a breather, stretch it out, get some water between each set. what happens if you have to do 18 reps of 50 all at the same time? You probably aren't able to do all 18, your form gets sloppy. you didn't get weaker, you just don't have same luxury to prep for the next set. all the sudden for the those last few you can only do 40lbs, 35lbs.

you can keep assuming the SEC is so top heavy , but after 8 games those small little 35lbers can sneak up on you.

and I still very much disagree that the middle of the Big 12 is better than the middle of the SEC. even if its true, there are more teams in the SEC you are going to play, so you are statistically still going to face more that are above middle.

 

[butchna]

LMAO you guys on here rationalize exceptionally

Thanks. You’ve spent enough time in your tent studying us in our natural environment.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Everyone on this board knows Tennessee has been down for almost 20 years. You can also cobble together random SEC victories spread across many teams and many years if it makes you feel better. Bottom line, we’ll see where you are after this season. It’s not looking good for you.

Friend, the Dark Ages were bad enough without us over-stating them. We were only down from 2008 to 2020: 13 seasons. The Renaissance began to lift us up in 2021 with the arrival of Dan White, Josh Heupel & Co.

Go Vols!

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Not really. The run from 2006-2011 only had 2 NCs from Saban. In fact, in some of the years Saban won it (2012, 2017 stand out), another SEC team likely would have won it. Les Miles, Tommy Tubberville, Urban Meyer, and Mark Richt all had their programs at a high level. In the 1990s, the SEC had three national titles (1992 Alabama, 1996 Florida, 1998 Tennessee) and one undefeated team that didn't win due to probation (1993 Auburn).

I say read up on SEC history. I have already showed you 1983 Auburn. There is a solid argument they should be the champions over Miami.

There are many other examples. Bear Bryant had 6 NCs from 1960s-1970s. Ole Miss was very good in the 1960s. Auburn and LSU had titles and were solid in the 1950s.

Tennessee was actually the most dominant SEC program from the founding (1933) until 1952. Bob Neyland is a legend that gets 0 respect because of the time period and the fact he was in the SEC and they were in the shadow of Notre Dame (along with most of CFB).

LMAO. Oklahoma dominated the 70’s . Oklahoma & Miami the 80’s. Nebraska the 90’s. Florida was irrelevant for the last 50 years of the 1900’s and LSU. The SEC became the dominant ( key word dominant ) when Saban took over at Bama. UF had a nice run when Stoops joined them and with Urbam Meyer in the 2000’s and LSU a few years this century and of course UGA now. But I don’t give 2 craps about Auburn they are like Tenn 1 title in the last 50 years.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

And that was really Saban/Bama. Sans Bama & LSU the others JAT

SEC domination--judged entirely by national championship titles--began with the first year of the BCS, after the 1998 season.* Count national titles from that point on if you want to confirm. EDIT: here, I'll do it for you:

National title count from the 1998 season, first year of the BCS/CFP era:

* SEC - 14 or 15 (depending on how you count 2003)(Tennessee, LSU, Florida, Bama, Auburn and Georgia -- Saban was 6 or 7 of those (depending again on '03), but he sure didn't start it and definitely wasn't alone)
* ACC - 5 (Miami, FSU, Clemson)
* B10 - 3 (Ohio St, Michigan)
* B12 - 2 (Texas, Oklahoma)
* PAC - 1 (USCw)

LMAO you guys on here rationalize exceptionally

Is that what you say when others are making valid point after valid point, but you just don't want to believe it?

Heh.

Go Vols!



* And since the championship was not settled on the field before then, who knows how much earlier the SEC actually achieved dominance? It's a question worth pondering.

 

[volbound1700]

LMAO. Oklahoma dominated the 70’s . Oklahoma & Miami the 80’s. Nebraska the 90’s. Florida was irrelevant for the last 50 years of the 1900’s and LSU. The SEC became the dominant ( key word dominant ) when Saban took over at Bama. UF had a nice run when Stoops joined them and with Urbam Meyer in the 2000’s and LSU a few years this century and of course UGA now. But I don’t give 2 craps about Auburn they are like Tenn 1 title in the last 50 years.

Statistically, the SEC was the strongest conference even before Saban. You can look it up. I had these debates in the early 2000s (long before Saban at Alabama) and remember them well. You are running out of arguments.

 

[volbound1700]

Friend, the Dark Ages were bad enough without us over-stating them. We were only down from 2008 to 2020: 13 seasons. The Renaissance began to lift us up in 2021 with the arrival of Dan White, Josh Heupel & Co.

Go Vols!

We were down a little from 2002-2008 (late Fulmer era). We had 3 10-win seasons in that period and two SEC Title game appearances but we didn't finish in the AP top 10 during any of those years. 2005 and 2008 were losing seasons.

 

[DGAVOL]

We get it. Oklahoma was historically the best team in the big 12. No one is denying that.

At the same time, It’s also very debatable if Oklahoma has had a team good enough to win the SEC at any point in the past 20 years. You’ve had teams good enough to win some big games against good team but when you look back at the list of conference winners, there isn’t a year when anyone feels like Oklahoma would have been a clear winner. Doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with Tennessee but it’s just true.

Fast forward to modern day, you just don’t have a great team this year. I know it’s probably frustrating that media isn’t really paying attention to Oklahoma the same way they are Texas in year 1, but your team just isn’t at that level right now. I’m not saying that Tennessee is one of those contenders either.

Do I think you’ll end up competing for the conference in a few years? Yes, I do. But history says you’ll probably have ups and downs that you are not used to in this league.

 

[butchna]

LMAO. Oklahoma dominated the 70’s . Oklahoma & Miami the 80’s. Nebraska the 90’s. Florida was irrelevant for the last 50 years of the 1900’s and LSU. The SEC became the dominant ( key word dominant ) when Saban took over at Bama. UF had a nice run when Stoops joined them and with Urbam Meyer in the 2000’s and LSU a few years this century and of course UGA now. But I don’t give 2 craps about Auburn they are like Tenn 1 title in the last 50 years.

Just for edification, many respectful opposing fan posters set up screennames on here to share football takes and maybe glean some information about a season opponent. You jumped In red clay boots deep with the “My grandpa kin beat yorn!” background noise garbage and little to nothing else. So what do you THINK you’re getting out of all this? Convert some lifetime Vol fans to Sooners? Get some to give up following football and switch to cricket? Level with us. You don’t seem to be enjoying your experience. More like throwing thirty years of receipts on the table for an audit.

 

[Voltopia]

Just for edification, many respectful opposing fan posters set up screennames on here to share football takes and maybe glean some information about a season opponent. You jumped In red clay boots deep with the “My grandpa kin beat yorn!” background noise garbage and little to nothing else. So what do you THINK you’re getting out of all this? Convert some lifetime Vol fans to Sooners? Get some to give up following football and switch to cricket? Level with us. You don’t seem to be enjoying your experience. More like throwing thirty years of receipts on the table for an audit.

Oh, no, I think he's absolutely enjoying every second of this pathetic elementary school troll job.

After that "dominant" 16-12 win over Houston, I don't think he's got anywhere else to go. Which means he's going to sit here and peddle his "aw shucks I'm just chatting ya" crap for another ten days. Ugh.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

We were down a little from 2002-2008 (late Fulmer era). We had 3 10-win seasons in that period and two SEC Title game appearances but we didn't finish in the AP top 10 during any of those years. 2005 and 2008 were losing seasons.

If we're making it to the SEC title game, we can't be too far down.

I count 2008 as the start of the Dark Ages.

Go Vols!

 

[DGAVOL]

Friend, the Dark Ages were bad enough without us over-stating them. We were only down from 2008 to 2020: 13 seasons. The Renaissance began to lift us up in 2021 with the arrival of Dan White, Josh Heupel & Co.

Go Vols!

We haven’t made the SEC championship game since 07 and haven’t won it since 98. Guess it just depends on your definition of down…

But you’re right, we’re on the right path now