Sooner fan really looking forward to the game

[DC_Vol]

All you guys arguing about the past when the **** will now get settled on the field.

I think we can all agree on hating Texas. I can hardly stomach the trash my Texas buddies are throwing out.

 

[butchna]

That would be before last Saturday’s games. Notre Dame vs Purdue changed. Georgia vs Kentucky changed. It’s not hard butcher.

Doesn’t seem exactly SCIENTIFIC for you to hold onto it during your previous troll job. You mean when I retorted “Wait for some actual GAMES to happen.”, that was more reasonable than “Vegas has us favored.” from you?

 

[butchna]

All you guys arguing about the past when the **** will now get settled on the field.

I think we can all agree on hating Texas. I can hardly stomach the trash my Texas buddies are throwing out.

You’re changing things. Why have you waited so long to fix us?

 

[TheVolunteer002]

One of those classy fans that swallowed the hook. This conference, as a whole, is big time in all respects of athletics. Not so much in this UT fan forum for the most part. Remember the most dangerous words in the kings english are "always" and "never". I hope some of the mature posters can explain that to the foul mouthed, arrogant & ignorant youngsters. Annonymous posting afforded by the internet merely confirms the historical current claims and recorded history of certain loathed portions of the American society.

The "king's english" and them darn youngsters lmao. This is goofy. Like, what're we doing here? That first half of Boomer Sooner really is on full display isn't it?

Your initial post came off as a smug, underhanded attempt at glossing OU with your handpicked stats to make UT look like the lesser on a Tennessee forum.

Not sure what you were expecting.

 

[Mccage]

I have a very objective view. Heupel one of the major reasons for Bob’s meteoric rise and the biggest reason by far we win the NC in 2000. And? Bob fires him as OC supposedly by phone from his vacation spot in Crescent Beach. Very uncharacteristic of him. The only OC he ever fired. The offense wasn’t that bad. QB play was a huge issue. We were all surprised. Scuttle butt is it wasn’t all performance. Nobody has found out what or if that was the case. Bob claims he wanted a pure Air Raid and switched to Lincoln Riley. But Bob who never interfered with OC’s forced the pistol on Heupel ( Brought the the guy in that started it to teach Josh). Also Josh’s last year Bob wouldn’t let the QB run and it was his strength. That handicapped Josh. He was a good runner. But I will tell you this Josh ( could have adapted since OU) if he’s got an Achilles heel it’s being stubborn about letting the defense take away your strengths and abandoning your best players. He is never going to deviate from attacking the defense based on the look.

One year Tech had the worst run defense in the Big 12. Yes they had 8 in the box but we had Samaje Perine and Joe Mixon they got like 8 carries between them the first half. They interviewed Bob at halftime on TV and in his best Saban imitation threw Heupel so far under the bus it was crazy. Came out ran the ball the second half and blew it open. Another against OSU they were playing 8 in the box so he kept throwing long but they’d blitz a ton and the sacks resulted in too many 3rd and longs. Here again he needed to run the ball because they were in man and a succesful run goes the distance. He gave up on the run.

But he’s obviously one of the best play callers and offensive minds in college football. It was at the very beginning of his OC stint.

I bet he runs the ball against y’all.

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Big 12 23-22 vs SEC the last 10 years.

Our top teams were too busy winning to bother playing Big 12 teams.

So y’all had one appearance from your conference in a playoff or championship game in the last ten years? And no national champs.

SEC had 11 appearances in 10 years and won 6
Vs
Big 12 One (1) appearance and 0 wins

The numbers for the SEC against the Big 12 for the last 10 years are going to be skewed because you never even made it to the big boy table. While our best teams were playing for or winning Championships

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Our top teams were too busy winning to bother playing Big 12 teams.

So y’all had one appearance from your conference in a playoff or championship game in the last ten years? And no national champs.

SEC had 11 appearances in 10 years and won 6
Vs
Big 12 One (1) appearance and 0 wins

The numbers for the SEC against the Big 12 for the last 10 years are going to be skewed because you never even made it to the big boy table. While our best teams were playing for or winning Championships

23-22 says hi. Again nobody denying you have much stronger teams at the top but head to head facts don’t lie.

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Our top teams were too busy winning to bother playing Big 12 teams.

So y’all had one appearance from your conference in a playoff or championship game in the last ten years? And no national champs.

SEC had 11 appearances in 10 years and won 6
Vs
Big 12 One (1) appearance and 0 wins

The numbers for the SEC against the Big 12 for the last 10 years are going to be skewed because you never even made it to the big boy table. While our best teams were playing for or winning Championships

I’m glad those standard bearers carried you because Tenn not much of a factor.

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Championship game appearances in the last 10 years

Big 12. 0
SEC 11

 

[TheGoodStuff]

My point is our best teams weren’t playing your best teams post season the last 10 years. None of your teams were good enough.

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Your best teams were playing our average teams and split the wins. Interesting huh?

 

[DGAVOL]

I’m glad those standard bearers carried you because Tenn not much of a factor.

Everyone on this board knows Tennessee has been down for almost 20 years. You can also cobble together random SEC victories spread across many teams and many years if it makes you feel better. Bottom line, we’ll see where you are after this season. It’s not looking good for you.

 

[Volbucky]

One of those classy fans that swallowed the hook. This conference, as a whole, is big time in all respects of athletics. Not so much in this UT fan forum for the most part. Remember the most dangerous words in the kings english are "always" and "never". I hope some of the mature posters can explain that to the foul mouthed, arrogant & ignorant youngsters. Annonymous posting afforded by the internet merely confirms the historical current claims and recorded history of certain loathed portions of the American society.

Ah yes, victim mentality time. Classic.

 

[Volbucky]

23-22 says hi. Again nobody denying you have much stronger teams at the top but head to head facts don’t lie.

You realize that record reflects our worst teams playing our best teams most likely right? You guys are going to get curb stomped in the SEC and so far it seems like you deserve to.

 

[volbound1700]

What does a Big12 beating Mississippi State have to do with Oklahoma vs Tennessee this year?

 

[Sooner Redzone]

My point is our best teams weren’t playing your best teams post season the last 10 years. None of your teams were good enough.

Your best teams were playing our average teams and split the wins. Interesting huh?

You realize that record reflects our worst teams playing our best teams most likely right? You guys are going to get curb stomped in the SEC and so far it seems like you deserve to.

What does a Big12 beating Mississippi State have to do with Oklahoma vs Tennessee this year?

I was responding to the discussion that Oklahoma State was not nearly as good as the second tier teams in the SEC. I maintain that the SEC top tier teams are better than the Big 12. After that not so much.

 

[Voltopia]

Big 12 23-22 vs SEC the last 10 years.

Heh okay. Completely irrelevant to the point, which is that claiming the middle of the Big 12 is somehow equivalent to the middle of the SEC, which is laughable.

 

[volbound1700]

I was responding to the discussion that Oklahoma State was not nearly as good as the second tier teams in the SEC. I maintain that the SEC top tier teams are better than the Big 12. After that not so much.

Florida right now, with a good coach, could destroy Oklahoma State. If you look at the talent (average star rating of the players on the roster), programs in the SEC are on average better.

Sure Oklahoma State is better than UK, Vandy, Miss State, and the bottom tier but overall the SEC just has more athletes. Sometimes you have coaching issues and frankly, these are kids. When they start losing, they implode.

Oklahoma State would NOT have had the success in the SEC that they have enjoyed in the Big12. They would still be a winner but they would be more line with Auburn or Tennessee under Butch Jones, etc.

The way I look at Conferences is by Power Programs. Power Programs (with the right coaches and system) can compete at a high level. Once you get past the power programs, you typically get into teams that can sometimes climb into the top ten but aren't truly National Title Contenders

SEC has 6 historically: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee (A&M is in an odd tier in that they have the potential but haven't shown it yet).

Big12 had 3 historically: Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas

B1G had 3 historically: Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State

ACC had 3 historically: Clemson, FSU, Miami

Pac12 has 1 historically: USC

There is also Notre Dame


There is another tier that is kind of Power lite that would include Texas A&M, Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, and Virginia Tech. Oklahoma State could fit in this grouping.


There is a tier II group that won a title(s) in somewhat modern history and at one time played at a top level but it would be difficult for these to get back to a high level including Arkansas, Ole Miss, Minnesota, Michigan State, Iowa, Colorado, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Pittsburgh, UCLA, BYU, TCU, and Syracuse.


In summary, the SEC has had the largest group of Power Programs even before its recent two expansions. This is why it is the strongest conference. There are also 2-3 solid Tier II programs in Arkansas (who was probably the second strongest program in the OG Southwest Conference), Ole Miss (Ole Miss was a top program in the 1960s), and South Carolina. Texas A&M is also an interesting program in that they have the money to compete at the top level but haven't shown it. Missouri is up now but I wouldn't put them in Tier I or Tier II. They are probably a solid Tier III team.

Adding OU and Texas, IMO, gave the SEC and even larger lead. B1G did well in adding USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington but it isn't enough to stay in the running with the SEC.

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Florida right now, with a good coach, could destroy Oklahoma State. If you look at the talent (average star rating of the players on the roster), programs in the SEC are on average better.

Sure Oklahoma State is better than UK, Vandy, Miss State, and the bottom tier but overall the SEC just has more athletes. Sometimes you have coaching issues and frankly, these are kids. When they start losing, they implode.

Oklahoma State would NOT have had the success in the SEC that they have enjoyed in the Big12. They would still be a winner but they would be more line with Auburn or Tennessee under Butch Jones, etc.

The way I look at Conferences is by Power Programs. Power Programs (with the right coaches and system) can compete at a high level. Once you get past the power programs, you typically get into teams that can sometimes climb into the top ten but aren't truly National Title Contenders

SEC has 6 historically: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee (A&M is in an odd tier in that they have the potential but haven't shown it yet).

Big12 had 3 historically: Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas

B1G had 3 historically: Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State

ACC had 3 historically: Clemson, FSU, Miami

Pac12 has 1 historically: USC

There is also Notre Dame


There is another tier that is kind of Power lite that would include Texas A&M, Wisconsin, Oregon, Washington, and Virginia Tech. Oklahoma State could fit in this grouping.


There is a tier II group that won a title(s) in somewhat modern history and at one time played at a top level but it would be difficult for these to get back to a high level including Arkansas, Ole Miss, Minnesota, Michigan State, Iowa, Colorado, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Pittsburgh, UCLA, BYU, TCU, and Syracuse.


In summary, the SEC has had the largest group of Power Programs even before its recent two expansions. This is why it is the strongest conference. There are also 2-3 solid Tier II programs in Arkansas (who was probably the second strongest program in the OG Southwest Conference), Ole Miss (Ole Miss was a top program in the 1960s), and South Carolina. Texas A&M is also an interesting program in that they have the money to compete at the top level but haven't shown it. Missouri is up now but I wouldn't put them in Tier I or Tier II. They are probably a solid Tier III team.

Adding OU and Texas, IMO, gave the SEC and even larger lead. B1G did well in adding USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington but it isn't enough to stay in the running with the SEC.

I can agree with this. Solid post but the SEC really became the premier conference in this century. They only won 3 NC’s from 1981-2000

 

[Volbucky]

I was responding to the discussion that Oklahoma State was not nearly as good as the second tier teams in the SEC. I maintain that the SEC top tier teams are better than the Big 12. After that not so much.

You can’t be serious. I assure you nobody is taking you seriously.

Sorry but nobody has the inflated view of Oklahoma as you do. Welcome to the real world. Small fish meet ocean.

 

[Volbucky]

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[volbound1700]

I can agree with this. Solid post but the SEC really became the premier conference in this century. They only won 3 NC’s from 1981-2000

Not every decade but even prior to the SEC run starting in 2006, the SEC still had, statically the most National Titles, Bowl Wins, etc. It was very close with the B1G however.

Big12/Big8 was always top heavy. Most years it was Oklahoma vs Nebraska with Colorado popping in every once in a while. Texas and Arkansas dominated the Southwest. The SEC had more parody. In the foundation, Tennessee dominated with Neyland and Alabama dominated with Bear Bryant but for the most part, you had multiple programs in contention.

Issue was the ACC. When the ACC added Miami and Va Tech, there were a lot of articles about it surpassing the SEC. They had some of the same recruiting grounds and they had the East Coast media markets with New York, Boston, Washington DC, Miami, Jacksonville, Raleigh, Richmond/Norfolk, etc.

ACC flopped and never took off while the SEC blew up. ACC was the only league truly built to compete with the SEC.

The Pac12 is an interesting story in that I think there are great athletes on the West Coast and the teams are generally strong but the lack of fan support just keep that league back and then it blew up. SEC teams have recruiting the West Coast better, over the last 10 years, than the Pac12 powers. Look at Bryce Young, Tua Tagovailoa, and Nico Iamaleava as examples of West Coast players going to the SEC.

Also the lack of a title in the 1980s and other past decades was sometimes seen as media "bias" for teams like Michigan, Notre Dame, and USC leaving SEC teams out. People forget that but this was were the "SEC" chant came from as we were seen as an underdog league that didn't get the respect we deserved. It is almost the opposite today lol.

 

[ntxVOL]

I can agree with this. Solid post but the SEC really became the premier conference in this century. They only won 3 NC’s from 1981-2000

Those were the old Mythical National Championship days. The SEC's top tier spent a lot of time beating up on each other during that time, making it difficult to put an unbeaten or 1 loss conference champion in the Sugar bowl to complete for the MNC.

Still the SEC's bowl record during that period tells a different story.

 

[volbound1700]

Those were the old Mythical National Championship days. The SEC's top tier spent a lot of time beating up on each other during that time, making it difficult to put an unbeaten or 1 loss conference champion in the Sugar bowl to complete for the MNC.

Still the SEC's bowl record during that period tells a different story.

Somewhat. 1980s was kind of owned by Miami.

Auburn was very good in the 1980s (especially the early 1980s) and there is an argument that perhaps their 1983 team (I would have to go back and look) could have gotten a share of the title

1980 Georgia won it

1985 Tennessee blew out Miami (ranked #2) in the Sugar Bowl despite being huge underdogs.

Alabama had some solid teams.

However, there isn't a solid SEC team that has a solid 100% argument other than 1980 Georgia and I think there was a year where I think Auburn deserved one. I need to go look it up.

 

[volbound1700]

I was right about 1983 Auburn. There is an argument this team deserved the title that year (I think Miami won it)


Auburn's schedule is below. NOTE that Auburn beat Florida.


Miami, the National Champion's schedule, is below. Note that Miami's only loss was to Florida