Sousa out as director of the POSL...

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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Seems like a lot of "politics" being played within the UT administration.
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I don't think this is politics at all. When I read the report that some were saying that the opening of the T was going away I knew something was afoot. Never dreamed it was Sousa promoting this (still may not be, but he never got out in front to deny any of the claims) but the opening of the T will never go away, It is THE BEST OPENING TO A GAME IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. I felt all along the band was being overly resistant to change. These things happen with progress. :peace2:
 
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So a longtime staple of the program spoke out about a change in policy that was bound to be unpopular with fans, and so the new administration got rid of him?

Yeah, sounds like Hart is running things smoothly over there. No wonder he was so successful at FSU.
 
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GAVol said:
"Free speech" might be the least understood concept in message board history.
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So many people need to understand that suffering the repercussions or consequences for what you choose to say or do is completely different than "protected freedom of speech" (which is no one can actually stop your ability to actually say it; not that whatever you say is protected from adverse consequence, correct?)
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Now that is how you squash free speech folks..
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Sousa can say whatever he wants and apparently did. Free speech or any of the rights we enjoy are not necessarily free of consequences. You should try reading a bit of Civil Disobedience. But this case may well go further than that. If Sousa was promoting inaccurate reports that are detrimental to the workings of the University and Athletic Department it is very much grounds for dismissal.:peace2:
 
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Looks to me like Sousa thought he had more support than he did. He tried to rile up the band and the alumni and it didn't work as planned - if he had overwhelming support he'd still be the director.
 
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TrueOrange said:
So many people need to understand that suffering the repercussions or consequences for what you choose to say or do is completely different than "protected freedom of speech" (which is no one can actually stop your ability to actually say it; not that whatever you say is protected from adverse consequence, correct?)
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You beat me to this point. Well said
 
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I would like to know what he said that was inaccurate or misleading? If she can't prove that would Martin be subject to a libel suit?
 
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October 14, 2013

I wanted you to know that Don Ryder has been named interim director of bands effective immediately.

Michael Stewart will begin serving as interim associate director of bands, also effective immediately.

Longtime Director Gary Sousa was placed on administrative leave earlier today pending an administrative review. This decision was made in the best interests of our students and the band program.

I met with the Pride of the Southland Band this afternoon to tell them how much I value their commitment and the many ways they contribute to campus life. I also look forward to working with them so that everyone can have the best game day experience possible.

Please join me in supporting the band leadership in their new roles. And let us all stand strong for the Pride of the Southland Band as we move forward.

Sincerely,
Chancellor Jimmy G. Cheek

CONTACT US
The University of Tennessee
Office of the Chancellor
527 Andy Holt Tower
Knoxville,Tennessee 37996-0184
Email: chancellor@utk.edu
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Big Orange. Big Ideas.

This is an email students received today, thoughts?
 
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dreVol said:
Looks to me like Sousa thought he had more support than he did. He tried to rile up the band and the alumni and it didn't work as planned - if he had overwhelming support he'd still be the director.
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Kind of how it appeared to me as well.
 
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Sandvol said:
I would like to know what he said that was inaccurate or misleading? If she can't prove that would Martin be subject to a libel suit?
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Only if she published her statement (and in libel, like most legal action, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff)

However, if Sousa was fired without cause, then the university would have trouble on its hands, not just Martin.
 
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TrueOrange said:
So many people need to understand that suffering the repercussions or consequences for what you choose to say or do is completely different than "protected freedom of speech" (which is no one can actually stop your ability to actually say it; not that whatever you say is protected from adverse consequence, correct?)
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What you say about consequences is true. The key is that the 1st protects against Government limiting freedom of speech except for within certain areas established in common law.

TrueOrange said:
Sorry; hard to read on a message board sometimes. My bad
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No problem. Bugs me when I hear "Fire [Administrator Name]," and the reasoning is related to the performance of the football team.
 
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oregonvol said:
Only if she published her statement (and in libel, like most legal action, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff)

However, if Sousa was fired without cause, then the university would have trouble on its hands, not just Martin.
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But, what if she made the statement to a reporter which she did?
 
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