Speaking of Young,

#76
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hndog609 said:
Indeed. It was good to see that in the next game he contributed more to his team's return game than that other team's Heisman candidate could manage.
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Hey, he is middle of the pack in the SEC this year. That's what we want, right?
 
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allvol123 said:
He has had the 3rd most attempts, ranking 3rd in yards would simply be expected. Nothing great. I am confident you have no area of expertise.
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If he's terrible you certainly wouldn't expect the yardage ranking to be up with the attempts ranking.
 
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allvol123 said:
Hey, he is middle of the pack in the SEC this year. That's what we want, right?
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Actually until the GA game he'd been underperforming by his standards. I think after the OK game they lit a fire under the entire return team and it paid some dividends. We'll see how it goes from there.
 
#82
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hndog609 said:
Actually until the GA game he'd been underperforming by his standards. I think after the OK game they lit a fire under the entire return team and it paid some dividends. We'll see how it goes from there.
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Not holding my breath. I wish him luck.
 
#83
#83
He's a gutsy little player, but I don't understand all the love....he's steady which is a good thing, but he's not a special player
 
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Carl Pickens said:
He's a gutsy little player, but I don't understand all the love....he's steady which is a good thing, but he's not a special player
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I think it's mostly the "too far" thing. Original expectations were too high (so of course weren't met) so then the pendulum swung too far for some into the "he sucks" range which doesn't fit either. I would agree he isn't a "special" player but if he was anywhere near as bad as some make him out to be he wouldn't be the starting returner.

For instance some seem to want the criteria to be him housing one. Ummm...anybody really want to stand up and say that's realistic? How about a little history lesson; before CP housed one against Miss St (and not counting Bret Smith going the other way with an onside attempt) how long had it been since any Vol took one the distance? That'd be Mark Jones all the way back in 2002.
 
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allvol123 said:
I see we still have stragglers from the Dooley era. Remember, I also didn't like the Vols while I was busy dismantling him on here for the a year plus. Love this mentality.
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Hey sorry I called you out. I'll try to remember that you "also didn't like the vols" at other times too.

Honestly, If you and others can't or won't make a distinction between publicly dismantling a coach versus a player...then I can't explain the difference to you.

It irks me when I see an active and productive player being publicly ridiculed on what I presume to be the "flagship" message board of my football program by our own fan base..."allvol" and I felt compelled to respond.

Not sure about the "dooley era" comment. I think I'm more of a straggler from the Majors era? Not sure what you mean. But hey man Go Big Orange right? Or are you not liking them right now?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
He's a gutsy little player, but I don't understand all the love....he's steady which is a good thing, but he's not a special player
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This type of criticism is fine. I can't stand the people that say he sucks. That's not the way to talk about any of our kids in Orange that have dedicated 4 years of blood sweat and tears to the program. Completely bush league, and they should be called out by everyone that claims to be a fan.
 
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allvol123 said:
I only assumed they had similar amounts brought out from the end zone, not every one.
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Sure. As I said, schoolboy error. People who don't follow football or statistical sports analysis can't be expected to understand numbers without some further explanation, particularly those who use emotion instead of science to understand what they are seeing.

allvol123 said:
In that case Gault gains us past the mark, Young does not. Get it?
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I get it. To be clear, I was not trying to make an argument that Devrin is better than Willie. I was trying to use some numbers instead of emotion to find a reasonable way to look at this debate.

Another thing to consider:

When Gault played, kickers had to stand on the 30 yard line instead of the 35 so he took possession of the ball further upfield than players do today.

In fact, that rule change pushed the average starting field position in college football back 1.41 yards, from the 27.77 yard line to the 26.36 yard line.

Based on this average position, Gault (23.77 career avg) would be further below the average starting position than Devrin (23.20 career avg) if both made their average return from the end zone under their era's rules.

This would be further evidence supporting my proof that your reasoning is flawed.

allvol123 said:
There are multiple skills players in this freshman class that will play in the NFL, Young never will.
Comprende?
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Lo comprendo todo, mi amigo.
 
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I am happy that he is protecting the ball and he's making good cuts when the blocking is there. It looks like he's getting better along with the blocking
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Classless a$$wipes in this thread. I would love to come to your work and tell you that you suck at your job and should be replaced by some new guys that have barely learned how to badge in.
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We should put the back up fans in. They had a good offseason. I hear they are bigger and faster and way more loyal. The current fans haven't been worth a crap since 2006.:no:
 
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Rifleman said:
Sure. As I said, schoolboy error. People who don't follow football or statistical sports analysis can't be expected to understand numbers without some further explanation, particularly those who use emotion instead of science to understand what they are seeing.



I get it. To be clear, I was not trying to make an argument that Devrin is better than Willie. I was trying to use some numbers instead of emotion to find a reasonable way to look at this debate.

Another thing to consider:

When Gault played, kickers had to stand on the 30 yard line instead of the 35 so he took possession of the ball further upfield than players do today.

In fact, that rule change pushed the average starting field position in college football back 1.41 yards, from the 27.77 yard line to the 26.36 yard line.

Based on this average position, Gault (23.77 career avg) would be further below the average starting position than Devrin (23.20 career avg) if both made their average return from the end zone under their era's rules.

This would be further evidence supporting my proof that your reasoning is flawed.



Lo comprendo todo, mi amigo.
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C'mon, lay off allvol. He's been having technical difficulties for quite some time now. Don't exacerbate his problems by presenting logical arguments. Poor lil' guy.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I was going to post how horrible our defense has truly been over the last 3 years for Young to be up with the all time leaders in total returns, but his average per return is basically the same as Gault's and Scott's. Hard to believe.
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Its all perspective. If Young could return one to the house suddenly everyone would jump on his jock strap. He gets the job done, occasionally he takes it out when he should probably take a knee, but his average yards per return tells me he breaks a couple long ones to make up for it. I'm still hoping he takes one back…

Of course if its against Chatt. all the detractors will say it wasn't against good competition so it shouldn't count. lol.

Amazing how we can take information that doesn't fit our view of the world and ignore it...
 
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