Standard of Living already down.

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utgibbs

utgibbs

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To be fair, it hasn't really increased in the last 30+ years. It's very possible those of you at UT right now will not have as good a standard of living as your parents. Sure, a few of you will do better, but as a whole, you won't. There are very few times in the history of Homo sapien that will be true. My kids (twins) aren't in school, and I think to myself every day, "How do I prepare them for this reality?"

I see no way to avoid carbon rationing. I think each of us will have to use a lot fewer kWhr in future. Within the dominant culture, this translates directly into SoL. However, it's Quality of Life that really matters.

This is the task of the next two generations. How do we use less but do more??? It can be done.

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Over the years, I've decided politics doesn't affect culture, culture dictates politics. It's not political change we need. It's culture. A radical revolution of values.
 
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Someone has already whined about their standard of living being affected rather than stopping starving 3rd world farmers from feeding their family. We live in a greedy culture of "me first."
 
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In before you are called a commie. Or a fascist. Or in the case of some of our dimmer conservatives here at VN, both.
 
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IPorange said:
Someone has already whined about their standard of living being affected rather than stopping starving 3rd world farmers from feeding their family. We live in a greedy culture of "me first."
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You're probably don't know who Sam Kinison is due to your age. But I will quote him.

"Hey you stupid ____. You see this. It's sand. And it 100 years guess what it will still be sand. Moooovvveee."

I found that funny. Not as funny as your dumb azz comment though.

It's not my responsibility to fix the worlds problems. Sometimes they need to do it for themselves.
 
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lawgator1 said:
In before you are called a commie. Or a fascist. Or in the case of some of our dimmer conservatives here at VN, both.
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He's not a commie or a fascist. He's a 27 year old college kid who hasn't had to support a single person yet or had to look at his newborn baby and know its his responsibility to make sure his child can eat and is taken care of ... so it makes it easy for him to pass jusgement and say these childish things.

Let's talk when he's 40 and has kids and bills to pay and see how he feels then. I'll bet his view changes.
 
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IPorange said:
Someone has already whined about their standard of living being affected rather than stopping starving 3rd world farmers from feeding their family. We live in a greedy culture of "me first."
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In a radical revolution of values, we would find we become more impoverished the more the 3rd world farmer struggles out a living on the margins (especially in the rain forest).

We must give up much of what we thought was important, BUT there is much to gain as well.
 
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can this be cross-referenced with the happiness index to provide a more accurate view?
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
You're probably don't know who Sam Kinison is due to your age. But I will quote him.

"Hey you stupid ____. You see this. It's sand. And it 100 years guess what it will still be sand. Moooovvveee."

I found that funny. Not as funny as your dumb azz comment though.

It's not my responsibility to fix the worlds problems. Sometimes they need to do it for themselves.
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That's just it. You've been exporting your externalities and impoverishing them. We all have, mind you. The Sahel didn't suddenly forget how to farm, or forget how to carry on the last 20 years (after being the cradle of Homo sapien. It happened because our lifestyle has completely altered their climate. Because neoliberalism has extracted their wealth.

Take Haiti. We are all responsible for destroying their primary livelihood in the 1980s - the Creole pig. They did ask for poverty - they had it thrust upon them.

In moral terms, we owe them the debt. Not the other way around.
 
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utvolpj said:
can this be cross-referenced with the happiness index to provide a more accurate view?
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Bhutan certainly has the right idea.

We need to scrap GDP (which goes up when Jared Loughner shoots people), and replace it with the GHI.

That is a radical revolution of values. One greatly needed.
 
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utgibbs said:
That's just it. You've been exporting your externalities and impoverishing them. We all have, mind you. The Sahel didn't suddenly forget how to farm, or forget how to carry on the last 20 years (after being the cradle of Homo sapien. It happened because our lifestyle has completely altered their climate. Because neoliberalism has extracted their wealth.

Take Haiti. We are all responsible for destroying their primary livelihood in the 1980s - the Creole pig. They did ask for poverty - they had it thrust upon them.

In moral terms, we owe them the debt. Not the other way around.
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This is pure bullcrap. The United States owes noting to any other country.

The U.S. didn't become the most prosperous nation in world history through sheer luck. Other countries didn't become outhouses through bad luck.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
This is pure bullcrap. The United States owes noting to any other country.

The U.S. didn't become the most prosperous nation in world history through sheer luck. Other countries didn't become outhouses through bad luck.
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If nothing else, we owe an ecological debt. And there is much else.
 
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utgibbs said:
That's just it. You've been exporting your externalities and impoverishing them. We all have, mind you. The Sahel didn't suddenly forget how to farm, or forget how to carry on the last 20 years (after being the cradle of Homo sapien. It happened because our lifestyle has completely altered their climate. Because neoliberalism has extracted their wealth.

Take Haiti. We are all responsible for destroying their primary livelihood in the 1980s - the Creole pig. They did ask for poverty - they had it thrust upon them.

In moral terms, we owe them the debt. Not the other way around.
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This ones up there.
 
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utgibbs said:
That's just it. You've been exporting your externalities and impoverishing them. We all have, mind you. The Sahel didn't suddenly forget how to farm, or forget how to carry on the last 20 years (after being the cradle of Homo sapien. It happened because our lifestyle has completely altered their climate. Because neoliberalism has extracted their wealth.

Take Haiti. We are all responsible for destroying their primary livelihood in the 1980s - the Creole pig. They did ask for poverty - they had it thrust upon them.

In moral terms, we owe them the debt. Not the other way around.
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You are a smart guy so this is not a personal attack but that is some of the dumbest BS i have ever heard man. They are in their situation because of corruption and the people not standing up and laziness. Countries are only as strong as the type of citizen that makes them up.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
You are a smart guy so this is not a personal attack but that is some of the dumbest BS i have ever heard man. They are in their situation because of corruption and the people not standing up and laziness. Countries are only as strong as the type of citizen that makes them up.
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Are you saying an American is better than a Haitian?
 
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IPorange said:
Are you saying an American is better than a Haitian?
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Better at taking a country from nothing and turning it into a mega power???

Um yes. I would be saying that.

Any country that needs the help of another country just to survive is not on equal footing.
 
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IPorange said:
Someone has already whined about their standard of living being affected rather than stopping starving 3rd world farmers from feeding their family. We live in a greedy culture of "me first."
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What Would Darwin Do?
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Better at taking a country from nothing and turning it into a mega power???

Um yes. I would be saying that.

Any country that needs the help of another country just to survive is not on equal footing.
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Nationalistic BS. We have the benefit of resources and history that they just flat-out don't have. You are no better than anyone else.
 
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