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#77
#77
LWSVOL said:
it is as simple as this question and answer from Hubbs.

Based on what you are hearing, what would you say are the top 2 reasons the Vols are missing out on bigger-name recruits so far? Uncertainty of Staff? Hostessgate? Low potential of winning in short term? Thug image? A strong recruiting class last year?

I think the concern of not winning in the short term and the concern of just not knowing this staff and what they can do are the two biggest factors. We are very much in a show me kind of world. Talk only gets you so far.

this is why things could improve on recruiting front as season goes along. I'm not saying from a win and lose games standpoint as to recruits seeing what this staff can do.

Wilcox is a total unknown in this region. Recruits assessing what the defense looks like this year will be huge. Right now, they have no clue no matter what they are being told.
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All are factors right now. That is why, IMO if the staff had the confidence they would show a lot of positives this season on the field to help recruiting, they would be more selective at this point in who they offer and who they accept commitments from.

Things could improve on the recruiting front as the season progresses, or it could stay where it is now. We just dont know at this point.
 
#78
#78
Plain and simply this class is disappointing..

I've laid low on recruiting this year, but from everything I've read.. We are going to have a pretty dismal recruiting class unless we come out and suprise kids during the season....

Taking commits from the likes of Saulsberry and that Posey kid.. Both are an extreme reach and a troubling sign to have them on board this early..
 
#79
#79
Sabanocchio said:
It's a very good point and it happened last year to a tangible extent. This very well could be the case. I do not see it helping "exponentially" however.
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Agreed. Even in this same situation, we had 6 or 7 4*s by mid-September last year. I just don't see us getting the same caliber of athletes this year.
 
#81
#81
Sabanocchio said:
But the caliber of players we have recruited up to this point is very disappointing. Some of these guys will undoubtedly end up All-SEC type players, but your odds are much better with better rated talent.

I understand it's a process, but if Kiffin was able to convince high-profile kids to come to UT then we already know it is possible. Unless this recruiting class takes a real turn, it appears that we will be forced to rely on under-vauled players to build our future team upon and please do not delude yourself, that will make it nigh impossible to compete with the Floridas and Alabamas.

This is not an evaluation of our coaching or recruiting abilities, merely a sobering examination of where we are as a program right now.
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Totally agree with you Sab.
 
#82
#82
Some of you should be recruiters..

If Lance and Co think he should play for UT then ill stand behind that decision.
 
#83
#83
Sabanocchio said:
But the caliber of players we have recruited up to this point is very disappointing. Some of these guys will undoubtedly end up All-SEC type players, but your odds are much better with better rated talent.

I understand it's a process, but if Kiffin was able to convince high-profile kids to come to UT then we already know it is possible. Unless this recruiting class takes a real turn, it appears that we will be forced to rely on under-vauled players to build our future team upon and please do not delude yourself, that will make it nigh impossible to compete with the Floridas and Alabamas.

This is not an evaluation of our coaching or recruiting abilities, merely a sobering examination of where we are as a program right now.
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Dude there's no telling what Kiffin was telling those kids or offering them to come to UT...I promise you it wasn't the ole NFL chance stuff, there was a lot more to it than most of us will never know...And hopefully we will not get a NCAA inquiry later on about it...But did you notice when Kiffin left that the rats all jumped ship?....My guess is they saw their meal ticket fly out the window....As far as star on players goes, they are just stars and mean absolutely nothing as far as recruiting goes...Nebraska won several titles without any 4 and 5 star players...It's how you develop the players is what matters so before everyone goes and cuts Dooleys throat lets give him a couple of years to show if he is right or not....Believe me, At this point We got nothing to lose.
 
#86
#86
Sabanocchio said:
But the caliber of players we have recruited up to this point is very disappointing. Some of these guys will undoubtedly end up All-SEC type players, but your odds are much better with better rated talent.

I understand it's a process, but if Kiffin was able to convince high-profile kids to come to UT then we already know it is possible. Unless this recruiting class takes a real turn, it appears that we will be forced to rely on under-vauled players to build our future team upon and please do not delude yourself, that will make it nigh impossible to compete with the Floridas and Alabamas.

This is not an evaluation of our coaching or recruiting abilities, merely a sobering examination of where we are as a program right now.
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I think, what you may be leaving out of your equation is that these high profile recruits want to see if Dooley is going to be the man that will be here for more than 3 seasons. I feel that this class will be the one that fills the needs we have, but it is also going to drop the level of talent. I also feel that we will get our big 4 or 5 star guys late in the recruiting process.
 
#87
#87
TennesseePride said:
Plain and simply this class is disappointing..

I've laid low on recruiting this year, but from everything I've read.. We are going to have a pretty dismal recruiting class unless we come out and suprise kids during the season....

Taking commits from the likes of Saulsberry and that Posey kid.. Both are an extreme reach and a troubling sign to have them on board this early..
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If you believe this then you've just exposed how little you know about the subject
 
#90
#90
TennesseePride said:
Taking commits from the likes of Saulsberry and that Posey kid.. Both are an extreme reach and a troubling sign to have them on board this early..
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:banghead2: How the hell do you or anyone else in this fanbase know that those kids are extreme reaches?
 
#91
#91
Stefano33 said:
if you think any of those guys are close to 2 stars you might want to get your head examined:)
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well that was stupid.

Posey 5.7
Harris 5.5
Downs 5.6
Crowder 5.6
Coleman 5.7
Carson 5.5
Randolph 5.6
Smith 5.6
Worley 5.5

most 4* start at about 5.8 so, according to the current rankings, we have two players that are close to a 4* rating. i do not think you will see Posey or Coleman move to a 4* rating.

most 2* start at about 5.4. so, according to the current rankings, we have three players that are close to a 2* rating. in case your powers of counting are a little off today, that makes more players closer to a 2* ranking.

that leaves four in the middle. you can make your arguments for them either way, but the way i see it, randolph, smith, and crowder may get a slight boost (LV thinks Smith will ultimatley be a 4* FWIW) but not too significant, IMO.

and all of this means next to nothing. offers matter, not stars. and as it stands, most of our players currently have less-than impressive offer lists.
 
#92
#92
Because I've played football, been around the program my whole life, been around football my whole life and I've seen these kids video..

If you honestly think this kid will be all-world here at UT, Then please pass what you are smoking..
 
#93
#93
Dudleys87 said:
We have more commitments than last year... Just saying.
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This time last year we had Jacques Smith and Markeith Ambles committed. Spin it all you want, but no one in this class so far is even close to their caliber.
 
#96
#96
TennesseePride said:
Because I've played football, been around the program my whole life, been around football my whole life and I've seen these kids video..

If you honestly think this kid will be all-world here at UT, Then please pass what you are smoking..
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So, I should take your friday night hero resume & 2 minute video watching skills over and entire coaching staff that has evaluated a kid in person?

And me claiming these kids are guaranteed to be all-world is just as ridiculous as you claiming they're extreme reaches.

Some of you people amaze me. Truly amaze me.
 
#98
#98
Fulmer signed Carson Anderson and Josh Hawkins, but both are future NFL superstars because the coaching staff liked them enough to offer a scholarship and the coaching staff is always right.
 
#99
#99
Smith, Randolph, and Coleman will all be 4 stars by the end of their senior season. And you could make a case for Crowder and Saulsberry.
 
#100
#100
Sabanocchio said:
But the caliber of players we have recruited up to this point is very disappointing. Some of these guys will undoubtedly end up All-SEC type players, but your odds are much better with better rated talent.

I understand it's a process, but if Kiffin was able to convince high-profile kids to come to UT then we already know it is possible. Unless this recruiting class takes a real turn, it appears that we will be forced to rely on under-vauled players to build our future team upon and please do not delude yourself, that will make it nigh impossible to compete with the Floridas and Alabamas.

This is not an evaluation of our coaching or recruiting abilities, merely a sobering examination of where we are as a program right now.
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Yeah kiffin showed us it was possible. Noone else was has ever been able to do it in the history of tennessee football
 
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