State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America

[allvol123]

If that happened, I'd hope you aren't too attached to chicken. It would disappear from many store's shelves.

If you are saying I would have an issue of maintaining my quality of life without illegal aliens in this country, you are wrong. I can manage just fine.

 

[GVF]

If you are saying I would have an issue of maintaining my quality of life without illegal aliens in this country, you are wrong. I can manage just fine.

He has a really good point. Most food industry are about 80%+ Latin employed in the hourly wage positions. The goods will not get processed if they are gone. Not timely for sure. Immigration showed up in Gainesville a few months back and it shut down an entire chicken plant.
We lost an entire shift in our plant there. Just the rumor of them in the area cleaned out the parking lot of a local plant. I'm not totally against them being here working. Our plant wouldn't have had enough local labor pool at the time. But, I'm not sold on them either. They do work very well however.

 

[CSpindizzy]

If you are saying I would have an issue of maintaining my quality of life without illegal aliens in this country, you are wrong. I can manage just fine.

I'm happy for you. But for thousands of other Americans, this would affect them greatly. There are those tied to farming, construction, landscaping, livestock, poultry, and low skilled textiles and other factories out there. It would affect truck drivers, grocery stores, chain stores, etc.

I hope you don't have a 401K or stocks in any other format. I guarantee you that sending them all back would have some consequences even you in a cozy, non-illegal influenced life would feel.

 

[emainvol]

If you are saying I would have an issue of maintaining my quality of life without illegal aliens in this country, you are wrong. I can manage just fine.

i honestly don't understand how you can be so sure. have you ever lived without illegal aliens in this country?

 

[CSpindizzy]

Not sure anyone has....

 

[allvol123]

i honestly don't understand how you can be so sure. have you ever lived without illegal aliens in this country?

I am sure. Have I ever lived without them in this country? No. I have never done alot of things, does not mean I can't.

 

[allvol123]

I'm happy for you. But for thousands of other Americans, this would affect them greatly. There are those tied to farming, construction, landscaping, livestock, poultry, and low skilled textiles and other factories out there. It would affect truck drivers, grocery stores, chain stores, etc.

I hope you don't have a 401K or stocks in any other format. I guarantee you that sending them all back would have some consequences even you in a cozy, non-illegal influenced life would feel.

So if the case for them being here is that it makes life so much better for the rest of us, then I am sure we could get some starving kids from some 3rd world countries to come and do the work Americans "won't" do for even cheaper. I bet if we just offered to feed them on a regular basis they would practically work for free. No doubt subtracting an element that you have been used to would have an impact on any situation. To say the country could not adjust to it, might as well say we are a very weak country then if this would make us falter as much as some believe.

 

[therealUT]

So if the case for them being here is that it makes life so much better for the rest of us, then I am sure we could get some starving kids from some 3rd world countries to come and do the work Americans "won't" do for even cheaper. I bet if we just offered to feed them on a regular basis they would practically work for free. No doubt subtracting an element that you have been used to would have an impact on any situation. To say the country could not adjust to it, might as well say we are a very weak country then if this would make us falter as much as some believe.

Do you live in a vacuum? Why do you think so many corporations are moving their operations to places like Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, etc? Because the labor there is dirt cheap! So, your hypothetical is already happening. If all illegal workers were kicked out of this country, even more businesses would go ex-pat. Why does this happen? Because paying the import tariffs, the shipping costs, and being subject to double taxation, while paying the labor force around $1-$2 per diem, is less costly to many businesses than paying their work force >$5/hr plus benefits and overtime.

 

[allvol123]

Do you live in a vacuum? Why do you think so many corporations are moving their operations to places like Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, etc? Because the labor there is dirt cheap! So, your hypothetical is already happening. If all illegal workers were kicked out of this country, even more businesses would go ex-pat. Why does this happen? Because paying the import tariffs, the shipping costs, and being subject to double taxation, while paying the labor force around $1-$2 per diem, is less costly to many businesses than paying their work force >$5/hr plus benefits and overtime.

So if they are moving them to other countries to perform labor we are not willing to do, why do I care. You have cleared nothing up, if we need immigrants here to do jobs Americans "won't" do or else the jobs that Americans will not do will be moved offshore, then I do not need illegal immigrants here in either case.

 

[therealUT]

So if they are moving them to other countries to perform labor we are not willing to do, why do I care. You have cleared nothing up, if we need immigrants here to do jobs Americans "won't" do or else the jobs that Americans will not do will be moved offshore, then I do not need illegal immigrants here in either case.

Because as long as the illegal immigrants are being hired to work on the floor in America, Americans are being hired to supervise that work. In Thailand, Malaysia, Burma, etc. American workers are not the first level supervisors.

 

[therealUT]

Let's take a look at an easy example. Say you are the Regional Manager of a chain of restaurants (5 restaurants.)

80% of the cooks and prep chefs you hire are illegal aliens.
You pay each around $4/hr.
At all times there are 5 working in each restarant.

Now assume all illegal aliens are deported, oh, and by the way the minimum wage is now $7.25/hr (which has been passed by the House.)

Option #1:
Keep prices as they are.
Employ less chefs.
Now you only have 2 chefs at 4 of your restaurants and 3 at 1.
Your costs remain the same, however, your quality of service drops.
Your customer base reduces and you are also forced to lower prices.
Within a year or two, your chain of restaurants are out of business.

Option #2
Raise prices.
Employ the same amount of chefs.
However, due to the rise in prices, your customer base drops.
You are forced to fire servers.

etc., etc.

Clearly, option 2 would be the correct choice in this circumstance, as it is better to let a handful of waitresses go than to shut down the business and let everyone go. There are infinite numbers of different scenario's, however, each one plays out with Americans losing jobs. At Perdue plants, if there is no workforce to supervise, then there will be no supervisors. The city that the plant used to support, will now not have the money that used to be spent in its commercial centers. Many commercial businesses will shut down. Do I need to continue to explain this or do you see where it is leading?

 

[CSpindizzy]

You have a lot of small towns that thrive off of these mills. Even if 30% of the labor force are local citizens, you're talking about a town running dry of business. Residents have no jobs. Illegals leave and work elsewhere. The local tax revenue shrinks. Stores lose business. Etc. Etc. I can say for a fact that this is the case in numerous N GA towns. I've heard this is also the case in western NC. I'm sure it is the case in many other areas as well. Essentially towns dry up and more people are added to the unemployment rolls.

 

[allvol123]

Let's take a look at an easy example. Say you are the Regional Manager of a chain of restaurants (5 restaurants.)

80% of the cooks and prep chefs you hire are illegal aliens.
You pay each around $4/hr.
At all times there are 5 working in each restarant.

Now assume all illegal aliens are deported, oh, and by the way the minimum wage is now $7.25/hr (which has been passed by the House.)

Option #1:
Keep prices as they are.
Employ less chefs.
Now you only have 2 chefs at 4 of your restaurants and 3 at 1.
Your costs remain the same, however, your quality of service drops.
Your customer base reduces and you are also forced to lower prices.
Within a year or two, your chain of restaurants are out of business.

Option #2
Raise prices.
Employ the same amount of chefs.
However, due to the rise in prices, your customer base drops.
You are forced to fire servers.

etc., etc.

Clearly, option 2 would be the correct choice in this circumstance, as it is better to let a handful of waitresses go than to shut down the business and let everyone go. There are infinite numbers of different scenario's, however, each one plays out with Americans losing jobs. At Perdue plants, if there is no workforce to supervise, then there will be no supervisors. The city that the plant used to support, will now not have the money that used to be spent in its commercial centers. Many commercial businesses will shut down. Do I need to continue to explain this or do you see where it is leading?

No please continue. You could also go to many restaurants in the same town that have 100% legal workforces that are thriving. The one that chooses to use 80% illegals is lazy managment. As is Perdue or any other company such is this. If you need an illegal workforce to keep your business from failing, I'd say you have a sorry business plan.

 

[allvol123]

You have a lot of small towns that thrive off of these mills. Even if 30% of the labor force are local citizens, you're talking about a town running dry of business. Residents have no jobs. Illegals leave and work elsewhere. The local tax revenue shrinks. Stores lose business. Etc. Etc. I can say for a fact that this is the case in numerous N GA towns. I've heard this is also the case in western NC. I'm sure it is the case in many other areas as well. Essentially towns dry up and more people are added to the unemployment rolls.

Basically, your contention is that we need illegals to sustain our economic success. I disagree, illegals are a variable that businesses have become accustomed to. To say that they could not sustain themselves without them is a loser mentality.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Well whether you like to admit it or not, there are quite a few 'lazy' businesses in this country. Considering that you have over 10 million illegals here working shows that many of your friends and neighbors would rather be lazy and make more money.

Drive out all of these illegals and you will severely cripple this nation.

 

[allvol123]

Well whether you like to admit it or not, there are quite a few 'lazy' businesses in this country. Considering that you have over 10 million illegals here working shows that many of your friends and neighbors would rather be lazy and make more money. you are correct on this statement.

Drive out all of these illegals and you will severely cripple this nation. you are not correct on this one.

If you were correct on the last statement, then this is an extremely weak and fragile nation.

 

[therealUT]

If you were correct on the last statement, then this is an extremely weak and fragile nation.

If you are as scared and threatened by illegal immigrants in this country as you appear to be by your posts, you are an extremely weak and fragile individual.

 

[CSpindizzy]

If you were correct on the last statement, then this is an extremely weak and fragile nation.

This has already been proven in a micro level. We are weak in many aspects. We are dependent on other nations for most of our goods. Start a Middle East war and watch what happens to us. Oil or lack of would kill us. China has a nice grip on us with their trade surplus. We are so dependent on them, if they backed out of their deals, we'd collapse. We've borrowed more foreign capital to exist off of that we are dependent on everyone else's banking structure and economy to survive. Our national debt? It's owed to other nations.

 

[allvol123]

This has already been proven in a micro level. We are weak in many aspects. We are dependent on other nations for most of our goods. Start a Middle East war and watch what happens to us. Oil or lack of would kill us. China has a nice grip on us with their trade surplus. We are so dependent on them, if they backed out of their deals, we'd collapse. We've borrowed more foreign capital to exist off of that we are dependent on everyone else's banking structure and economy to survive. Our national debt? It's owed to other nations.

So I would not say the answer is to continue to strengthen your weaknesses. What is beiing done and what needs to be done are not one in the same.

 

[allvol123]

If you are as scared and threatened by illegal immigrants in this country as you appear to be by your posts, you are an extremely weak and fragile individual.

I will take your inflammatory comments as coming from a person who is as usual done. I am not weak and fragile as I am confident in my ability to survive very nicely without illegal immigrants. You on the other hand have acknowledged your need for them, thus acknowledging your weakness.

 

[emainvol]

I am sure. Have I ever lived without them in this country? No. I have never done alot of things, does not mean I can't.

while i enjoy your confidence, without doing something, you can't be sure. you can think you can all you want to, then again i think i can do a lot of things, i am not 100% sure about anything.

 

[emainvol]

I will take your inflammatory comments as coming from a person who is as usual done. I am not weak and fragile as I am confident in my ability to survive very nicely without illegal immigrants. You on the other hand have acknowledged your need for them, thus acknowledging your weakness.

he has not acknowledged weakness, only a realistic sense of what effect a mass exodus of illegals would have on the country.

 

[therealUT]

I will take your inflammatory comments as coming from a person who is as usual done. I am not weak and fragile as I am confident in my ability to survive very nicely without illegal immigrants. You on the other hand have acknowledged your need for them, thus acknowledging your weakness.

You are probably also very confident in your ability to survive if the complete infrastructure of the US failed. Yet, whatever provisions and plans you have in that area, are probably incredibly insufficient if it actually happened. You can be confident all you want, but in reality your confidence means very little.

 

[allvol123]

You are probably also very confident in your ability to survive if the complete infrastructure of the US failed. Yet, whatever provisions and plans you have in that area, are probably incredibly insufficient if it actually happened. You can be confident all you want, but in reality your confidence means very little.

Confiedence and preparedness mean plenty. You know nothing of my confidence.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Are we confusing confidence with arrogance? Or dare I say another word?